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Old 09-09-2018, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The resistance from the Pentagon on such lunacy will be strong. I doubt Trump can force the Generals into this wack-o plan.

A good thing, too. Soldiers aren't construction workers. The wall would be crap. Expensive crap, because everything the military does costs tons of money.

I wish Trump would get over his wall fixation. Every dime spent on that stupid wall could be spent on some decaying bridge, some dangerous stretch of highway, or some street where the potholes are big enough to cripple a car.

Spending the money on our infrastructure helps us all and would be well spent. The border wall is just a useless trifle, like a pretty ribbon in a little girl's hair.

...And a hell of an expensive ribbon. Especially when the construction's only purpose is to fulfill one man's twisted vanities. If Trump needs to pat himself on the back again so badly, let him do it on his dime, not ours. Go build another golf course, Donald. Just don't send the bills to us when you do.
Every dollar spent on that 'stupid wall' as you say, probably saves $10 in expenses -- welfare to illegals, etc. That's called money well spent to me.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Also probably true but you're missing the point. It takes months for them to build these tunnels and minutes to destroy them. As I said, thousands will find ways to climb over, dig under, or get through a wall. But they are currently capable of coming over in the hundreds of thousands. The wall is not intended to be and will not be a 100% impermeable barrier and it is also not intended to be a stand-alone measure. It will be an effective tool, when used in combination with border patrol agents, cameras, sensors, drones, etc. that will block 90% (aka "the vast majority") of illegal entries.



It will greatly increase the time and resources required to get into the country making it prohibitively expensive. It's one thing for a coyote to charge $4000 each to bring a group of 50 illegals into the country by simp[ly walking across an undefended border in the desert in the dark of night. Night after night after night. It's quite another when the coyote has to spend months building a tunnel, gets to use it a few weeks, then it is detected and destroyed.
One of the heaviest guarded borders is the border with Gaza and Egypt. Tunnels cannot be prevented there, even though Egypt has pumped sewage and sea water into them..

That border is only EIGHT miles long. Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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The wall would be a huge waste of tax payers money.
Illegals will find a way around, under or over it.
You solve the problem by reducing the demand for illegals.

There is a saying at Yellowstone, dont feed the bears!

People are fined for even leaving food out at camp sites.

The illegals are the bears and the cheap labor express are the ones we should attack and fine.
The penalties should be so high that it is not even worth considering it as a cost of doing business.

Except the Democrats fight tooth and nail every alternative approach to the illegal alien issue. Granting amnesty, whether formally or effectively by having a policy not to deport, feeds the bears and attracts more. Having sanctuary cities feeds the bears. Giving drivers licenses to illegals feeds the bears. Providing healthcare and education to illegals feeds the bears. And granting anchor baby citizenship feeds the bears.



Democrats have been feeding the bears red meat at every opportunity then complain when the Republicans want to build a perimeter fence to keep out the bears that they attracted.



Why should private businesses care about immigration status when many city and state governments apparently don't? It's only a matter of time before loony California makes it illegal for private businesses to NOT hire illegals as a practice.
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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There are far fewer than there used to be and more that get caught during the building process and before they are completed.
Nope, most are discovered by accident when a property is searched for other reasons.
That means there hundreds undiscovered out there.
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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Requiring host countries defended by our military to pay the full cost of our deployment is one way. Another would be the $1.5 Billion per year we give to Egypt.
Actually, the USA pays countries for the right to be there. You're not suggesting that it would be a great idea for the USA to get out of South Korea, do you? What about Okinawa, which is a forward base for Marines and Air Force?
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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If this were true then how come liberal califoria has more homeless than any state?

How come Clinton was the master planner in ending welfare as we know it?


Because they have more people than any other state?
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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Illegal aliens can't "lawfully" vote but there is evidence that some do. The Democrats want them legalized so that they can vote in the future and lastly they are vying for the votes of the ethnocentric type of Hispanic citizen who want's amnesty for their illegal amigos.
Most Hispanics are naturally conservative, as is their religion and culture. Amazingly, especially foreign born Hispanics who have not been affected yet by American culture, seem to have much stronger a family structure than many areas of the USA, including the Bible Belt. You may want to compare divorce rates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.10b1db798465
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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How do you explain the National Guard being used in natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and fires?
The Governors of the States order them to be used.
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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One of the heaviest guarded borders is the border with Gaza and Egypt. Tunnels cannot be prevented there, even though Egypt has pumped sewage and sea water into them..

That border is only EIGHT miles long. Think about that for a second.

You couldn't be more wrong about that wall. The current one was constructed because previous barriers were failing so badly. The vast majority of tunnels existed previously. The Hamas regime is upset because they are losing tons of revenue they were making by licensing tunnel operations.


In 2008-10, some tunnel owners were said to have become dollar millionaires as they shifted everything from Hummer vehicles and washing machines to cows and sheep through the underground system. Hamas imposed a tax on shipments.
At one point an estimated 22,000 Palestinians worked in the tunnel “industry”.

Local residents say that at the peak of the tunnel business, after Hamas Islamists seized the Gaza Strip in 2007 and Israel tightened a closure of its crossings into the enclave, nearly 2,500 underground passages snaked under the border with Egypt.


Now, the diggers said, fewer than 20 tunnels remain for commercial goods, with easy-to-smuggle cigarettes the main contraband.

One tunnel owner said it had cost him $200,000 to build the structure, and the flooding had forced him to cut his workforce of 54 to only eight. “We bring in cigarettes for a few days a month and we spend the rest of the days clearing the mud,” he said, asking not to be identified.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...0ST1N620151104


Think about that for a second.
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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the best defense against illegal entry aside from the wall is a revamp of laws and regs re illegal aliens and entry.


The law was set up to deal with an occasional illegal entry, not a mass exodus form Mexico and OTMS.


Like having a town sheriff with a staff of 2 having to deal with ten thousand protestors and then being blamed for having done such a poor job protecting the life and property.


All the marines in the service will do no good if their hands are tied by laws which neuter their presence.


Why does mexico get a free pass by the UN and our media?????


People are fleeing that country and no one is curious as to why and what can be done to make life palatable in Mexico and points south.



US policy focus needs to be on south and central America, not the middle east and Europe. Let Europe fund their own defense.
Do you realize that more former Mexicans are moving BACK to Mexico than are coming to the USA? Family ties are a strong bond, and the Mexican economy is improving, as well as the crack down on the gangs.
The estimated number of Mexicans in the United States illegally rose steadily for many years, from 2.9 million in 1995 to a peak of 6.9 million in 2007. But the number began dropping in 2008 and has fallen more since, reaching 5.8 million in 2014, the latest year for which Pew analyzed data.
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...undocumented-/

Note the dates. The numbers started dropping in 2008. Guess who became POTUS then?
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