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Old 09-10-2018, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Silly leftists...

Don't they know the real minimum wage is $0?

For business owners it's negative infinity.
It’s a concept the left doesn’t really understand.

The fact that a person will work and can work for less than a predetermined artificial manipulated salary set by the government.

A long with the ignorance of thinking $15 an hour today won’t be $30 an hour in a few years, aka you’re just kicking the can down the road.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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The Minimum Wage in my state is $8.25/hr.

In my neck of the woods, entry-level positions are offering $10-$11/hr to start. It's going to be an interesting holiday season.

Walmart increased their starting wage to $11/hr.

Costco increased their entry-level wage to $14/hr and adjusted their entire pay schedule accordingly.

Seems to me that these increases are making a Federal, and in some cases, State Minimum Wage, obsolete.


Seems they are, but I don't expect (and I hope you don't expect) for these people to say, DAMN, I'm making $14, I think I'll just stay right here and never leave.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Pre-school should be heavily subsidized or publicly funded like K-12.
So the government indoctrination of children can begin even sooner? So we can get children away from their parents who might give them silly notions about gun rights, right to life, liberty, etc?
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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In reality...following the law.

You don't like that, so you call it a 'loophole'.
Yes, it's the law, but corporations own many politicians so it will never get changed. The middle class are the ones getting shafted because we don't have easy ways of lowering our taxable income.

A good example of this is Apple. They park profits in Ireland so they don't have to pay US income taxes.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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Pre-school should be heavily subsidized or publicly funded like K-12.

What hair dresser, ambulance driver, baker, taxi driver, restaurant cooks, store clerk or animal caretaker is "supposed to be" is not relevant. There is no law that a job is supposed to be anything.


It very well is relevant....nobody in their right mind wants to stay at minimum wage, what ever it maybe....


Take the ambulance driver, he's driven now for 5 years, doing great, loves his job, making $15 an hour. He got his BS (in whatever) and a slot comes open, lets say a manager slot for dispatching and his current boss comes to him and say, this job will give you a $5 an hour pay raise, do you want it?


Do you really think he or anyone is going to turn down that job?
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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The violent state intervening in the peaceful negotiations of employment is the exact opposite of freedom and liberty.
Its not intervening, its setting the boundaries of an envelope. Look, I don't think you realize how right wing of a guy you're talking to here. But mandating a sensible minimum wage and other laws to claim peace and prosperity for the American people is exactly what even a slender government will need to do.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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Ambulance drivers only make $11 an hour as well. And bakers and hairdressers make $12 an hour.

If huge numbers of jobs are not meant to live on, and you have to be homeless working that job, then the government is failing in representing the interests of the working class.
Some jobs are not meant to live on. If you don't want minimum wage, don't get a minimum wage job.

Low paying part-time jobs are good for students and retirees, or full time workers trying to earn extra money by working evenings.

Trying to live on those jobs doesn't make sense, except maybe temporarily while you get better job skills.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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It very well is relevant....nobody in their right mind wants to stay at minimum wage, what ever it maybe....


Take the ambulance driver, he's driven now for 5 years, doing great, loves his job, making $15 an hour. He got his BS (in whatever) and a slot comes open, lets say a manager slot for dispatching and his current boss comes to him and say, this job will give you a $5 an hour pay raise, do you want it?


Do you really think he or anyone is going to turn down that job?
I have no idea why you claim that all low paying jobs are minimum wage jobs. A baker who is paid the typical $11 or $12 an hour isnt being paid minimum wage. But the wage is appallingly low. And not everyone can be some big shot baker guy. Its just an example. The same is true for ambulance drivers, restaurant cooks, hairdressers, cab drivers or whatever. A $15 federal minimum wage would mean that these people would be making $18 or $19 an hour, not $11 or $12 as the typical wage for those jobs are today.
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Old 09-10-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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Some jobs are not meant to live on.
Thats just something you make up though. A baker makes $12 an hour, same as a taxi driver and hairdresser.

Why is a baker or hair dresser not something meant to live on while a mail carrier typically makes $28 an hour?
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Old 09-10-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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National minimum wage needs to be calculated as the amount of money earned per hour, before taxes, to support a single, debt-free life when one works 40 hours a week in one of the low cost of living states. State minimum wage should be adjusted upwards accordingly taking into account the respective state's cost of living. Any patriotic American needs to support a reasonable minimum wage, as it is a very necessary counter against socialism. In my opinion, minimum wage is one of the pillars of liberty and freedom in the USA. If 15$ per hour makes sense in Manhattan, then by all means, make it so.
Engineering the economy seldom works out well. Rent control is one example.

And unions gave people the idea that skills and supply and demand don't matter. You just have to join a union and you're safe for life. Then it becomes almost impossible to get into the union, without knowing someone. And the unions often become corrupt.

Supply and demand can be unsettling, especially now that things change so fast. But it is fairer and more efficient than trying to figure out how to engineer things.
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