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Old 10-08-2018, 05:27 PM
 
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It has often been said that in a state-wide election in WA, all the votes you need to win can be seen from the top of the Space Needle (located in downtown Seattle).
Yep, this reminds me of why all my neighbors in Washington state held such disdain for Seattle.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Completely untrue, typical when a liberal tries to talk about firearms. The murder rate in New York is lower than the murder rate in London. "gun crimes" are increasing in the UK, decreasing in the US. Over half the US has a murder rate of 0. Safer in the UK? The UK has a violent crime rate 3x higher than the US.

The only parts of the US that are worse than the UK are your liberal inner cities.

Liberal lies tell us all we need to know about how toxic liberals are to American society.
I'm progun, but you are (mostly) wrong. It is true that London's homicide rate is higher than NYC's this year, but that is a fluke, and it is due to an unusual upsurge in knife attacks. London's normal homicide rate is much lower than that of the US.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:50 PM
 
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I'm progun, but you are (mostly) wrong. It is true that London's homicide rate is higher than NYC's this year, but that is a fluke, and it is due to an unusual upsurge in knife attacks.
So.... he's correct.
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Old 10-08-2018, 06:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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He was a grown man who got beat up by a 17 year old kid. He knew he wasn't a fighter, hence he walked around his gated community with a gun. Not the actions of a confident man. So yeah saying he was given false confidence to confront Martin because he was armed has merit.



Maybe, maybe not. All we have is Zimmerman's account of what happened. Whether Martin knew Zimmerman was armed or not, either way the outcome was bad.




Or he might have just got a slight ass kicking at the hands of a 17 year old boy. And walked away with a few bruises and a hurt ego. Instead a kid died and man's life was ruined forever. His life would have been much better off just dealing with a few burglaries. Its why an armed society creates more problems then it solves.
5'11 and 170 lbs means you are a man, not a boy. at 17 you are treated as a man if you commit a crime. This wasn't a lil boy.
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Old 10-08-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Still wondering what "assault-style weapons" means. I have been around guns all my life, even served in a combat zone, I have no idea what that term means.
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Old 10-08-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Still wondering what "assault-style weapons" means. I have been around guns all my life, even served in a combat zone, I have no idea what that term means.
To the bed wetters it means "scary looking". Politicians afraid of firearms coined the term as broad as possible because they live in fear.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Still wondering what "assault-style weapons" means. I have been around guns all my life, even served in a combat zone, I have no idea what that term means.
This is a standard term that has been in use for a long time by authoritative voices, including the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/b...ing-goods.html

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Dick’s Sporting Goods Will Destroy the Assault-Style Weapons It Didn’t Sell
Trust me, the NYT has the most-knowledgeable, best educated editors and writers in the world. They would not use terminology that was not 100% correct. Above you can see that they even used the term in the headline.

Here is another example:

Local View: Assault-style weapons a threat to 'we the people' | Duluth News Tribune

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In the world as I know it, especially embracing Christianity and the moral teachings of the Bible, there is no place for individuals to sport assault-style weapons. I've heard various defenses of these weapons, appealing to the Second Amendment. One woman said, "They're fun!" I would posit that her "fun" is a threat to the wellbeing of "We the people."
The Duluth News Tribune is a highly respected newspaper founded in 1869, almost 150 years ago.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:27 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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So.... he's correct.
He isn't. London's homicide rate eclipsed New York's for the first time in history but it only lasted for a month before it all went back to normal. It wasn't so much that London has been getting more dangerous as much as New York has been getting much safer.



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Old 10-09-2018, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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As already discussed on in this thread, there are no accurate statistics for the number of defensive gun uses that occur in a single year. All we have is mere speculation. In contrast the detrimental effects guns have on society can be accurately measure in a myriad of stats and data.

The problem with defensive gun uses is that it often gives the person armed a sense of false confidence. The George Zimmerman case is a classic example. Had he not been armed, he never would have confronted Trayvon Martin. Martin would still be alive and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

To answer your question "Is defending myself with a firearm denying the bad guy's rights?"

That depends on the circumstances of the encounter. I think in the Zimmerman case yeah he stole a young boys right to live.
To address the Zimmerman case, Martin attacked him as the evidence indicated.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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This is a standard term that has been in use for a long time by authoritative voices, including the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/b...ing-goods.html



Trust me, the NYT has the most-knowledgeable, best educated editors and writers in the world. They would not use terminology that was not 100% correct. Above you can see that they even used the term in the headline.

Here is another example:

Local View: Assault-style weapons a threat to 'we the people' | Duluth News Tribune



The Duluth News Tribune is a highly respected newspaper founded in 1869, almost 150 years ago.
Such bolagna.

An adjustable stock on a firearm doesn't make it more dangerous. Neither does a "flash hider". A "silencer" doesn't silence a round either. It's very specific.

Drama sells news. That's why they use this made up garbage. May as well be using the word misc.
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