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Old 10-09-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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You don't even need the money anymore. You'll be murdered simply because you're white.
This thread is getting just a bit too enlightening and cheery for me. Might be time to sign off again, if not overdue...

 
Old 10-09-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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so if my white self walks through the ghetto with a giamt money belt on in plain view, with dollar signs all over me and I get robbed...none of it was my fault??
Do you think an old black guy from out of the neighborhood (such as me) would be any safer?

Having been mugged at gunpoint twice in 72 hours in SE DC...I'll tell you, "no."
 
Old 10-09-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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Do you think an old black guy from out of the neighborhood (such as me) would be any safer?

Having been mugged at gunpoint twice in 72 hours in SE DC...I'll tell you, "no."
Concerning that so many people need even these things explained to them...
 
Old 10-09-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: New Yawk
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the way young girls dress today they look like hookers
she doesn't have to wear a sack to look respectable
The trouble with that is young girls who "look like hookers" are not the only victims; not by a longs shot. Infants, children, disabled people the elderly; do they "look like hookers", too? How do you think that applies to women who were raped while wearing baggy sweats, or, hell, their combat fatigues?


Google Survivor Art Installation. Look at their "What Were You Wearing?" exhibit.

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Old 10-09-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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I like what the left is doing with regard to eliminating gender roles. I'm not left or right simply because so much of what goes on now in politics is gender warfare and because gynocentrism is prevalent on both sides. I very much like the idea of getting rid of gender all together as it assigns stereotypes based upon genitalia. For instance, without gender as a categorizing factor, laws and policies that focus solely on protecting women from violence can be extended to men, the gender that experiences the vast majority of violence and premature death due to violence. Women won't be able to dismiss male survivors of violence due to the majority of offenders being male because gender wouldn't be a qualifier. If men could gain the compassion and concern that women experience simply because they're of the female gender (the weaker sex), the reduction of the provider and protector expectation placed upon men and the increase in compassion for men might result in reduced male violence and a reduction in male suicide as males wouldn't feel guilty for not being providers and protectors of females.
Intriguing...

I've really got to sign off now, wondering whether to take you seriously, but assuming you ARE serious, about "gynocentrism" for example, you have me scratching my head more than just a bit. You are new to this forum apparently. Really new. Welcome!

I've been here long enough to know that nobody changes their mind about anything here. You'll see.

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...hat-we-do.html

Still, just curious perhaps. Which are these laws and policies that focus solely on protecting women from violence that are not "extended" to men? Also, since rape does not require a penis or a vagina, how much difference does the genitalia actually make?

Just a few questions before even approaching the idea of "getting rid of gender altogether." Given some of what you have already written, this too may make some sense for you, but for most people I don't think so. I mean talk about "throwing the baby out with the bath water?"

I can tell you this for me anyway, I far prefer to enjoy the gender differences than be rid of the gender issues. Something like how I prefer "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" despite the challenges the pursuit inherently involves.

Not too sure how NOT being left or right makes sense given what politics involves either. Something like the opposite for me, but perhaps all that for another day. Cheers!
 
Old 10-09-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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the way young girls dress today they look like hookers
she doesn't have to wear a sack to look respectable
What is like a hooker? Most girls and women wear yoga pants and athletic shoes or Uggs. At night they dress up in club wear and clompy heels to go out but they are in gangs of nine, and the big ones you wouldn't want to mess with.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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What is like a hooker? Most girls and women wear yoga pants and athletic shoes or Uggs. At night they dress up in club wear and clompy heels to go out but they are in gangs of nine, and the big ones you wouldn't want to mess with.
Yoga pants make me laugh. Reminds me of a time when I used to help this old timer 20 years ago. He saw this girl with really tight jeans and told me 'Jesus Christ look at the pants on that one, how does she get them on, she must paint them on." I think of him every so often when I see women wearing yoga pants and wonder what he'd think if he were alive today.

You gotta like the really loud yoga pants with eye catching patterns. They do their job, catch your eye but then you get accused of staring at their back side....can't win.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 02:09 PM
 
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Women have a "natural" fear of men?

All women? All men?
I don't feel there's a reason to reply to my post as though I was posting in a blanket manner. A quick look at my history will reveal that I've often posted about the reality that most men are good people who don't ever hurt women. I've gone out of my way to post that studies show most men don't rape, the problem is that the ones who do are repeat offenders, so this brings up the numbers. 90% of rapes are done by repeat offenders.

What I meant was that in general women tend to be more vigilant around men. It doesn't mean we hate them or continue to fear men we know. It's just something we learn by the time we're teenagers. We are generally smaller and there are enough men who hurt women that we have to maintain some level or fear. Most men don't worry about walking to their car alone at night, or being alone in a large parking lot. That's women's daily reality.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 02:12 PM
 
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You gotta like the really loud yoga pants with eye catching patterns. They do their job, catch your eye but then you get accused of staring at their back side....can't win.

I'm a proponent of yoga pants only having size appropriate animal prints!


As for duty to protect....REVERYONE has a duty to protect themselves AND have some situational awareness! No one should make themselves a victim unneccesarily. There are plenty of bad people out there, why tempt the ones on the fence to act as well?
 
Old 10-09-2018, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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There seems to be a lot of controversy around this issue. Although there is little debate that women are not responsible for sexual assaults, do they have a duty to protect themselves? If so, how? Avoiding being alone? Not drinking to excess, avoiding skimpy clothing, what? Many individuals of both genders have expressed this opinion. And if she doesn't protect herself in whatever way is deemed necessary or fitting, is the perpetrator less at fault if an assault happens?
Depends.

Everyone has the responsibility of protecting themselves from being mugged, or having their car stolen, or by getting beaten by crazy people, who will hate them for their politics, or dress sexy in chaotic surroundings, without any friends or family with you.

Don't walk alone in dark a alley in a crime ridden neighborhood, or you might get mugged.


Don't leave you car unlocked on the street in a strange neighborhood, or it might get stolen.

Don't wear a MAGA hat in Portland around goons dressed in black direct traffic, you might be physically assaulted.

Don't hang out at Occupy Wall Street protest rallies or you might get raped.

Now, if you are among friends and family, you should expect to feel safe, and free from any of the above happening to you. So a woman should not need to protect herself from sexual assault.
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