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Old 10-12-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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My bias against your generation is based in my anger toward millennials for the damage I see your generation has done to this nation. This demand for a new socialist America with social justice at its core is in opposition to everything I believe and was taught about America. The division created by this rift causes a real threat of civil unrest, civil war or dissolution of the union. If this happens it will be your generation that bears responsibility for destroying what took hundreds of years to build. Your generation still does not understand how dug in we conservative/traditional Americans are, you don’t understand that half this nation simply refuses to accept your generations socialist demands. I’m sure someone will call this post hyperbole, say it’s over the top but still I stand by it. The kind of division brought to us by the millennials is dangerous and history shows that. If something tragic happens to our nation it is the millennials who will have to live with the consequences for most of their lives.
Yeah, ok.

Medicare and social security. Bail outs for farmers.

^^^^ Socialism. I don't see you crying about it.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Your error in thinking is that you think everyone thinks like you and your friends, but trust me, they don't.
In 2016 we won the elections, even years we lost to Obama we still only lost by a sliver. At least half the country thinks similar to me. If you think everyone is getting onboard with socialism, political correctness and identity politics then you are not living in reality.
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Old 10-12-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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In 2016 we won the elections, even years we lost to Obama we still only lost by a sliver. At least half the country thinks similar to me. If you think everyone is getting onboard with socialism, political correctness and identity politics then you are not living in reality.
Not half by a long shot. Trump got 46.1% of the vote, and only 58% of eligible voters participated in the election, so basically 26% of eligible voters supported Trump. And Republicans would lose many more elections if not for the electoral college and gerrymandered districts, so quit patting yourself on the back
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Old 10-12-2018, 07:32 PM
 
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Not half by a long shot. Trump got 46.1% of the vote, and only 58% of eligible voters participated in the election, so basically 26% of eligible voters supported Trump. And Republicans would lose many more elections if not for the electoral college and gerrymandered districts, so quit patting yourself on the back
You people still lost, socialism is a loser. I don’t see crooked Hillary or nutty Bernie as president.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You people still lost, socialism is a loser. I don’t see crooked Hillary or nutty Bernie as president.
Hillary is socialist? I thought she was what centerist...
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Ok I’m gonna give you the whole thing about your generation and college debt. The one and only area I sympathize with millennials is on this issue. College has been pushed too much, it’s too expensive and it is unethical to send kids into the world with 150k in student loans. I have made this very argument on the behalf of your generation before. I have also made my high school aged child aware of all this so he can choose wisely on how to proceed with post secondary education.

However I do stand by my criticism of your generation. The millennials are very needy, and the demands for political correctness and social justice are very infuriating. Your right that I was raised in a different time. It was universally believed back then that capitalism was our system and should always remain our system. Christianityand traditional values were embraced by nearly everyone of both democratic and republican leanings. In fact the biggest difference in the two parties back then was how much you supported unions or defense spending, not the massive and dangerous ideological divide we see today. We all supported our core values outlined in the bill of rights, the thought that someone could control what you say, whether you owned a gun or not would have been unthinkable. The idea of political correctness would seem right out of Orwell’s 1984. Tearing town confederate statues would remind us of nazi book burnings. The fact that unfounded accusations could ruin a man would resemble witch trials. The reason many of us see your generation as un-American is because much what y’all support we were taught is the epitome of un-American ideas and actions.

My bias against your generation is based in my anger toward millennials for the damage I see your generation has done to this nation. This demand for a new socialist America with social justice at its core is in opposition to everything I believe and was taught about America. The division created by this rift causes a real threat of civil unrest, civil war or dissolution of the union. If this happens it will be your generation that bears responsibility for destroying what took hundreds of years to build. Your generation still does not understand how dug in we conservative/traditional Americans are, you don’t understand that half this nation simply refuses to accept your generations socialist demands. I’m sure someone will call this post hyperbole, say it’s over the top but still I stand by it. The kind of division brought to us by the millennials is dangerous and history shows that. If something tragic happens to our nation it is the millennials who will have to live with the consequences for most of their lives.
I’m curious as to what “brand” of Christianity was practiced. Did you actually live by Jesus’ words regarding “ the least of these?” How about the parable of the Good Samaritan?
The Sermon on the Mount?


Sure doesn’t sound like it.

The millennials you are so quick to dismiss understand these precepts 1000x better than their elders and are not afraid to express same.
I know lots of parents made a point of raising their millennial kids in the church. It’s so ironic that so many are surprised that they actually took those lessons to heart.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:31 AM
 
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I’m curious as to what “brand” of Christianity was practiced. Did you actually live by Jesus’ words regarding “ the least of these?” How about the parable of the Good Samaritan?
The Sermon on the Mount?


Sure doesn’t sound like it.

The millennials you are so quick to dismiss understand these precepts 1000x better than their elders and are not afraid to express same.
I know lots of parents made a point of raising their millennial kids in the church. It’s so ironic that so many are surprised that they actually took those lessons to heart.
So in short your generation took Christian messages to mean socialism was right and capitalism should be replaced? Last I recall Jesus was not advocating for any economic system, or system of government. I will not bring The Savior into a nasty political argument. I refuse to go there.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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So in short your generation took Christian messages to mean socialism was right and capitalism should be replaced? Last I recall Jesus was not advocating for any economic system, or system of government. I will not bring The Savior into a nasty political argument. I refuse to go there.
But we do not see capitalism in place right now. What we see is crony capitalism being practiced. And mind you Democrats are just as guilty at it as their Republican otherside of the coin (though Republicans are more upfront with it.) Even Trump who claims of draining the swamp is continuing crony capitalism.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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But we do not see capitalism in place right now. What we see is crony capitalism being practiced. And mind you Democrats are just as guilty at it as their Republican otherside of the coin (though Republicans are more upfront with it.) Even Trump who claims of draining the swamp is continuing crony capitalism.
Capitalism is not perfect, it certainly is subject to corruption. I am all for rooting out corruption and making capitalism as ethical as it can be. However a more socialist approach is wrong, socialism never elevates the standard of living and in fact it typically does the opposite. More often than not socialism does not create a country that looks like Norway as liberals claim but rather one more like Venezuela. Personal liberty and freedom always take a hit as the level of socialism increases. Poverty and shortages also increase in most socialist systems. There is a good reason Americans of previous generations have always rejected the follies of socialism. Not only does it go against our traditional American way of doing things, it usually hurts people.

I would rather put up with some corruption and correct it the best we can than move toward government management of our economy. Our government itself is corrupt and we should not trust it with the welfare of our citizens, healthcare or the management of key industries. Individuals and private entities are best suited to looking out for themselves than government programs are. This is after all the American way. I just wonder how so much of our younger generation has lost the key American values of rugged individualism and support for capitalism.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Capitalism is not perfect, it certainly is subject to corruption. I am all for rooting out corruption and making capitalism as ethical as it can be. However a more socialist approach is wrong, socialism never elevates the standard of living and in fact it typically does the opposite. More often than not socialism does not create a country that looks like Norway as liberals claim but rather one more like Venezuela. Personal liberty and freedom always take a hit as the level of socialism increases. Poverty and shortages also increase in most socialist systems. There is a good reason Americans of previous generations have always rejected the follies of socialism. Not only does it go against our traditional American way of doing things, it usually hurts people.

I would rather put up with some corruption and correct it the best we can than move toward government management of our economy. Our government itself is corrupt and we should not trust it with the welfare of our citizens, healthcare or the management of key industries. Individuals and private entities are best suited to looking out for themselves than government programs are. This is after all the American way. I just wonder how so much of our younger generation has lost the key American values of rugged individualism and support for capitalism.
The problem is crony capitalism isn't about just some corruption, we are talking damn near Progressive Era corruption. Trump using oil tycoons and paid shills for high ranking cabinet appointments including EPA to shape EPA laws to make it less restrictive on business (not just oil). The issue I see is that the capitalism we see in America is far too corrupt. We rather poison the water supply and watch rivers burn than to not because it is cheaper. We rather give welfare to the businesses than individuals.
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