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Old 12-04-2018, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I think a lot of the issue, at least for me, was the way in which this murder occurred. The heinous brutality of being dismembered was stunning. And the fact that he was a U.S. resident, working for a U.S. corporation, and had American children. Why are you upset that the Saudis are being taken to task now?
You can bet Russia and North Korea are looking at our reaction, if they can get away with murder we will be perceived as weak. Remember Saudi Arabia was the first country that Trump visited and one of Kushner’s favorites. I would love to hear a statement from Trumps son in law, is he under protection, where is Bolton?
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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You can bet Russia and North Korea are looking at our reaction, if they can get away with murder we will be perceived as weak. Remember Saudi Arabia was the first country that Trump visited and one of Kushner’s favorites. I would love to hear a statement from Trumps son in law, is he under protection, where is Bolton?
He's BFFs with the crown prince. I don't see him making any sort of statement. I still can't believe Pompeo tried to sell the idea that the prince wasn't complicit. We really need to step up.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Look, if the government (whether the Prince or any other high ranking official) ordered this killing, there should be repercussions as it was a despicable act. That said, we've seen too many "smoking guns" before used as an excuse for war/sanctions/etc., and later turn out to be more than questionable. I dissent from this rush to action by neocons and warmongers on the left alike.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Oh God- Trump is so conflicted with Saudi Arabia- of course he won’t be a ‘President’ with regards to this matter.

Remember he himself said he makes “ A LOT of money with them, millions... why shouldn’t I be friendly with them”
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:46 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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I think a lot of the issue, at least for me, was the way in which this murder occurred. The heinous brutality of being dismembered was stunning. And the fact that he was a U.S. resident, working for a U.S. corporation, and had American children. Why are you upset that the Saudis are being taken to task now?
And also the fact that the President of the United States and the Secretary of State have basically pardoned MBS despite strong evidence that he ordered the murder. Dictators around the globe have noticed this with approval.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:48 PM
 
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Look, if the government (whether the Prince or any other high ranking official) ordered this killing, there should be repercussions as it was a despicable act. That said, we've seen too many "smoking guns" before used as an excuse for war/sanctions/etc., and later turn out to be more than questionable. I dissent from this rush to action by neocons and warmongers on the left alike.
Fortunately, the people who have seen and heard the evidence disagree. Who's talking about war anyway? I don't think there is any question about MBS's involvement. Unless you're talking to Trump or Pompeo.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And also the fact that the President of the United States and the Secretary of State have basically pardoned MBS despite strong evidence that he ordered the murder. Dictators around the globe have noticed this with approval.



The surprising part of this is Bolton's complete silence, just imagine his statement if this was Iran.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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They are all afraid to criticize the Saudi Prince.
Clearly they believe he ordered the butcher of someone from the US that criticized him....
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Fortunately, the people who have seen and heard the evidence disagree. Who's talking about war anyway? I don't think there is any question about MBS's involvement. Unless you're talking to Trump or Pompeo.
There are plenty of questions, or else we wouldn't be having this debate. But, note, there was supposed "hard evidence" of WMDs in Iraq, of the Gulf of Tonkin narrative, etc. I've had enough of some of this "intel."
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Has anyone else seen this, and if so, what are your thoughts?

https://www.businessinsider.com/audi...at-g20-2018-11

It sounds like Macron / the French Government was involved in some capacity.
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