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Old 10-19-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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No not a fact, America did no genocide of American Indians. There were some massacres by both sides
Well, if you refer to "America" in terms of all ethnic groups that have ever lived here, there are members in all of those groups who did such atrocities.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:36 PM
 
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Well, if you refer to "America" in terms of all ethnic groups that have ever lived here, there are members in all of those groups who did such atrocities.
I'm referring to America as the country now the US and about the conflict between American Indians and the colonial government and settlers and later US of same was not genocide by the later. Not really sure what you meant but yes all ethnic groups that have resided within America have committed various atrocities and massacres against all ethnicities.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Ok. A few people want. A minority of people destined to a life of disappointment. Happy? We're never going to have open borders. It would be catastrophic. And most reasonable people who inhabit the middle of the political spectrum, in particular those of us who live close to the border realize this. Why would a person waste their time worrying about a thing that is never going to happen?

And that wasn't a definitive proving me wrong. The President gets away with a fudging on much more important issues and much less valid claims every day it seems. Give me a break.

The number of Leftys who are willing to actually come out and say that they advocate open borders pale in comparison to the number who want defacto open borders.......e.g.lax immigration enforcement, no wall, DACA, and other forms of amnesty as well as Welfare for illegals......ad nauseum.

So the fact that only a few on the Left will actually come out and admit their agenda means nothing.....because the rest of them really aren't very good at hiding it.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:53 PM
 
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Only an individual can own land.

Tooth fairies, governments, Easter bunnies and all the other fictional entities cannot.
Will you give it a rest? If an individual can do something, any group of individuals can all do the same thing in conjunction with each other.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Lands have been stolen from others since the dawn of time. Europe is the perfect example of this. It’s not right, but it’s what has happened. What occurred with the colonization of the Americas is certainly something we would consider barbaric today, but it happened, and it is what it is. To try to go back hundreds of years and argue that we should for some reason open up our borders to settle some karmic debt from the actions of those who have been dead for centuries opens up a slippery slope. What country wouldn’t that apply to?

We can only move forward. We are a nation of laws which must be respected. Anyone who thinks the floodgates should be opened wide are selfish and self-destructive, because that means we would let in any terrorist, gang member, murderer, rapist, child molester, or drug dealer who wishes to enter. People forget that we already let a TON of people from Mexico and the rest of Latin America into the US every year. People who immigrate legally. People who get background checks and who are vetted. So spare us the woefully ignorant and self-destructive idealism, as cute as it is. People who **** on our laws deserve nothing less than removal from our country.

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Old 10-19-2018, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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Yes, America did horrible things in the beginning of the nation's history with the genocide of Native Americans.

That is a fact, okay?


However, why do some on the far left of the political spectrum say that "No one is illegal on stolen land"?
The 'genocide of Native Americans' is not a fact. American Indians were not these welcoming angels they are made out to be in popular culture.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:20 PM
 
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Actually I don't really consider shrinking nomadic, hunter gather societies' territory and offering them subsistence aid is more barbaric than the modern or other ways of imposing yourself on others, forcing assimilation and blending the other ethnic/racial groups away.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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"Nothing is illegal under an illegitimate government".


Technically that is true, but it won't stop you from getting shot or thrown in jail.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:55 PM
 
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Yes, America did horrible things in the beginning of the nation's history with the genocide of Native Americans.

That is a fact, okay?


However, why do some on the far left of the political spectrum say that "No one is illegal on stolen land"?
We won they lost. That's the way it was, then.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Yes, America did horrible things in the beginning of the nation's history with the genocide of Native Americans.

That is a fact, okay?


However, why do some on the far left of the political spectrum say that "No one is illegal on stolen land"?
I take it some Fox News talking head had a story on this, amirite?
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