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If you get rid of the 60 vote threshold then when the Democrats get a majority they'll pass all kinds of unimaginable and abominable legislation through. They might get rid of the 60 vote rule even if Republicans don't.
And let's give you a little history lesson. Harry Reid never changed the rule that SCOTUS nominees needed 60 votes. McConnell did. And the Republicans can change the rules about filibuster any time they want. There is nothing the Dems can do to stop them.
From the link in the post you quoted:
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The main combatants Thursday were the chamber’s two chiefs, Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who have clashed for several years over Republican filibusters of Obama’s agenda and nominees.
Reid said the chamber “must evolve” beyond parliamentary roadblocks. “The American people believe the Senate is broken, and I believe the American people are right,” he said, adding: “It’s time to get the Senate working again.”
McConnell linked the rule change to the methods used to approve Obama’s health-care law solely with Democratic votes. The normally reserved GOP leader paced at his desk during his speech, often turning his back to Democrats to address only his fellow Republicans.
“It’s a sad day in the history of the Senate,” McConnell told reporters, calling the move a Democratic “power grab.”
And let's give you a little history lesson. Harry Reid never changed the rule that SCOTUS nominees needed 60 votes. McConnell did. And the Republicans can change the rules about filibuster any time they want. There is nothing the Dems can do to stop them.
They like using the 60 person rule to excuse their inability to pass things. Their base isn't smart enough to realize they can choose to go with majority only any time they want too.
They like using the 60 person rule to excuse their inability to pass things. Their base isn't smart enough to realize they can choose to go with majority only any time they want too.
Oh please, do not even start with that nonsense. Even the WaPo called out the Dems for demanding 60 votes:
Senate Democrats’ misleading language on a 60-vote ‘standard’ for Supreme Court nominees
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Justice Neil Gorsuch “should have a hearing and he should meet the voting standard that Supreme Court nominees are held to of 60 votes, a standard that was met by Elena Kagan as well as Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama’s choices.”
— Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), remarks on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Feb. 1, 2017
“If this nominee cannot meet the same standard that Republicans insisted upon for President Obama’s nominee, 60 votes in the Senate, then the problem lies not with the Senate but with the nominee.”
— Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), remarks on the Senate floor, Feb. 1
“I am coming back to the floor to correct the record about my earlier comments, when I said that Republicans ‘insisted’ on 60 votes for each of President Obama’s nominees. Sixty votes is a bar that was met by each of President Obama’s nominees. At the time, there was no need for a cloture vote, because we knew that each of them would garner over 60 votes.”
— Schumer, minutes later on the Senate floor.
Despite how much I dislike Schumer, I will say that he did fight against Reid's "nuclear option":
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) says he regrets the decision by Democrats in 2013 to trigger the "nuclear option" for most presidential nominations.
The change to the Senate rules lowered the threshold for confirming Cabinet nominees to a simple majority vote — something that will now help President-elect Donald Trump push through his nominees.
"I argued against it at the time. I said both for Supreme Court and in Cabinet should be 60 because on such important positions there should be some degree of bipartisanship," Schumer told CNN.
"I won on Supreme Court, lost on Cabinet. But it's what we have to live with now."
The "nuclear option" was triggered by former Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who retired at the end of the last Congress.
But that's only for nominations. It does not cover bills in the Senate. As of right now, it is still the rule that they must have 60 votes to break a filibuster.
And let's give you a little history lesson. Harry Reid never changed the rule that SCOTUS nominees needed 60 votes. McConnell did. And the Republicans can change the rules about filibuster any time they want. There is nothing the Dems can do to stop them.
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow
Never said we don't still have RINOs in government - but the point still stands: To break that filibuster, they need 60 votes. To claim that it's "all on Republicans" is untrue.
There's already a method and procedure to bring cloture. Any Senator can raise the issue that a filibuster is unconstitutional. Then it's up to the presiding officer of the senate to decide if this is the case. This would allow the filibuster to be closed.
Harry Reid used this method to change the number of senators needed for confirmation. He is the one who let the cat out of that bag by setting the precedent.
According to the US Constitution, unless otherwise stated in the Constitution, any decision made by the Senate is by simple majority.
Because these bombs were never intended to go off but merely scare the recipients, would that prevent the sender(s) from being charged with crimes? "It was a joke!"
man trying to keep people on topic in here is like herding cats.
how are these packages not being post marked whiling making it to their destination?
It was dropped on a dock, some are open to make it easier for large business customers. At every step it is easier for a specific mail handler or clerk to pass it on to the next unit rather than slow down his to segregated a piece and send it to revenue protection.
Meanwhile those pieces look so much like what we are trained to look for you would suspect that the OIG, Inspector General, seeded them as test pieces
If the MSM is making a big deal out of it, then it's probably fake.
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