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Old 10-25-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Why if it's a conservative from Florida they have to be a "redneck"? And if a false flag by a most devious East coaster, just a "liberal". Maybe it's just a misguided patriotic person.
Because sun burn?

 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chuckity View Post
lol @ CNN's ticker: URGENT NATIONWIDE MANHUNT FOR BOMBER

I don't think this has ever more aptly applied: FAKE NEWS!



Yeah, how can you have a hunt for a Bomber when there are no bombs?



The MSM is crooked as they get these days, and CNN is right there in the lead.



Why people watch them is beyond me.
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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They just put a justice on the supreme court with a 50-48 vote.......
Let's give you a little history lesson. Before Harry Reid, the Senate used to need a "supermajority" to confirm a nomination for the Supreme Court. It meant that they had to have 60 votes. But then Harry Reid got all upset that their nominations were not going through, so he decided to change the rules. It was called the "nuclear option":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.bb76812be4c9

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Senate Democrats took the dramatic step Thursday of eliminating filibusters for most nominations by presidents, a power play they said was necessary to fix a broken system but one that Republicans said will only rupture it further.

Democrats used a rare parliamentary move to change the rules so that federal judicial nominees and executive-office appointments can advance to confirmation votes by a simple majority of senators, rather than the 60-vote supermajority that has been the standard for nearly four decades.
However, for bills, the Senate needs 60 votes to break a filibuster in order to be able to vote on the bill. It's not that they need 60 votes to pass the bill, they need 60 votes to be able to even vote on it.

The Republicans do not have 60 votes. So, for all of the people out there saying, "But the Republicans have the majority", it illustrates to everyone that these people have no idea how it works.
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Originally Posted by NY_refugee87 View Post
Because sun burn?
Because "liberal" and most devious Eastcoaster are synonyms ?
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow View Post
Let's give you a little history lesson. Before Harry Reid, the Senate used to need a "supermajority" to confirm a nomination for the Supreme Court. It meant that they had to have 60 votes. But then Harry Reid got all upset that their nominations were not going through, so he decided to change the rules. It was called the "nuclear option":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.bb76812be4c9

However, for bills, the Senate needs 60 votes to break a filibuster in order to be able to vote on the bill. It's not that they need 60 votes to pass the bill, they need 60 votes to be able to even vote on it.

The Republicans do not have 60 votes. So, for all of the people out there saying, "But the Republicans have the majority", it illustrates to everyone that these people have no idea how it works.
they don't have 60 votes for what bill? The Senate had 60 votes for the 2013 immigration bill but Boehner wouldn't introduce it in the house. Republicans can also use their 'magical math' and stuff all sorts of things in a reconciliation bill which only requires a simple majority, all they need to do to prove to add it to a reconciliation bill is that there is a cost savings.
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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they don't have 60 votes for what bill? The Senate had 60 votes for the 2013 immigration bill but Boehner wouldn't introduce it in the house. Republicans can also use their 'magical math' and stuff all sorts of things in a reconciliation bill which only requires a simple majority, all they need to do to prove to add it to a reconciliation bill is that there is a cost savings.
The argument laid out was that the Republicans "controlled the House and Senate" and were not passing anything, therefore, it's the Republican's fault.

No. To break a filibuster, they have to have 60 votes. The Senate cannot vote on any bill until that is done. Once that is done, then no, they don't need 60 votes, they only need the simple majority, but you have to have 60 votes to break the filibuster. But instead, the Dems want to keep arguing about the bill...hence the word "filibuster".

By saying, "Well, the Republicans control the House and the Senate", it does not mean that they can just push through any bill. They have to have 60 votes to be able to vote on the bill in the first place.

This is fact. You using a whataboutism doesn't change that fact.
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow View Post

No. To break a filibuster, they have to have 60 votes.
That's a rule, not a constitutional requirement.
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
That's a rule, not a constitutional requirement.
Never said we don't still have RINOs in government - but the point still stands: To break that filibuster, they need 60 votes. To claim that it's "all on Republicans" is untrue.
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow View Post
The argument laid out was that the Republicans "controlled the House and Senate" and were not passing anything, therefore, it's the Republican's fault.

No. To break a filibuster, they have to have 60 votes. The Senate cannot vote on any bill until that is done. Once that is done, then no, they don't need 60 votes, they only need the simple majority, but you have to have 60 votes to break the filibuster. But instead, the Dems want to keep arguing about the bill...hence the word "filibuster".

By saying, "Well, the Republicans control the House and the Senate", it does not mean that they can just push through any bill. They have to have 60 votes to be able to vote on the bill in the first place.

This is fact. You using a whataboutism doesn't change that fact.
And then even if we already have a good bill or law passed like immigration Democrats effectively block its enforcement in the courts.
 
Old 10-25-2018, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow View Post
Let's give you a little history lesson. Before Harry Reid, the Senate used to need a "supermajority" to confirm a nomination for the Supreme Court. It meant that they had to have 60 votes. But then Harry Reid got all upset that their nominations were not going through, so he decided to change the rules. It was called the "nuclear option":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.bb76812be4c9



However, for bills, the Senate needs 60 votes to break a filibuster in order to be able to vote on the bill. It's not that they need 60 votes to pass the bill, they need 60 votes to be able to even vote on it.

The Republicans do not have 60 votes. So, for all of the people out there saying, "But the Republicans have the majority", it illustrates to everyone that these people have no idea how it works.
And let's give you a little history lesson. Harry Reid never changed the rule that SCOTUS nominees needed 60 votes. McConnell did. And the Republicans can change the rules about filibuster any time they want. There is nothing the Dems can do to stop them.
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