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Old 11-01-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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That's what the concept and classification of an illegal alien is, an invader. If illegal aliens are not invaders, then why are they detainable and removable in the first place? You are the one dealing in pejoratives with labels like "xenophobia".

You don't find the word "undocumented" to describe illegal aliens either in our immigration laws so if the lefty, liberals want to complain about the use of the word invader they are nothing but hypocrites!

 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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well, since he has no regard for the constitution we might use the same for Ammendment 2 or any other amendment . Trump is an illiterate. You get what you voted for.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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Immigrants are people who immigrated. They can be lawful or unlawful. Using terms like invader is stupid and shows that all you have are emotional appeals.






The constitution disagrees. The child is a host--it is a US citizen.






Statutes cannot alter the constitution any more than Executive Orders can.

Um no, our immigration law lingo does not refer to illegal aliens (the term they actually use) as plain ole immigrants. It would be blurring the lines between who's here legally and who isn't. No such thing as an "undocumented" either.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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False, no it doesn't. The plain language says subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Well, regarding naturalization, so basically ANYTHING related to the process of a foreigner becoming a citizen, CONGRESS is the sole holder of jurisidiction. And if you are illegal, then you are OUTSIDE of that process...you voluntarily put yourself outside of it.
I'll have to admit that the subject of jurisdiction is a complicated one. But I think it is emphatically-true that a child of an illegal-immigrant residing in Texas is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of his birth.

The exceptions to birthright citizenship in English common-law have always been for the children of foreign diplomats, and the children of foreigner occupiers who are currently at war with the United States(both groups fall outside of US jurisdiction).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649


The Indians seem to be a special-exception. The Indians were "not-taxed", so they were effectively "foreign", even when they lived among whites.

And the relationship between the Indian Tribes and the state and federal government is still a strange one. They continue to maintain a great degree of "tribal-sovereignty", even though they technically all exist within the borders of states. Which is why you have all these Indian Casinos.


In that link, it is interesting to read the history of English Common-law in regards to "Jus Soli".
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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well, since he has no regard for the constitution we might use the same for Ammendment 2 or any other amendment . Trump is an illiterate. You get what you voted for.

But Obama did by granting millions of illegal aliens a stay of deportation by EO via DACA and DAPA and by passing congress? It was unconstitutional. Don't be a hypocrite!
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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No one is authorized to be subject to our jurisdiction.
Yes, immigrants are but illegal aliens are not. Immigrants are given an immigrant visa that intends for them to be subject to the jurisdiction and have certain rights and responsibilities and become full citizens/subjects.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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But Obama did by granting millions of illegal aliens a stay of deportation by EO via DACA and DAPA and by passing congress? It was unconstitutional. Don't be a hypocrite!
Not clear. Was not ruled on by the USSC as they hung on the issue. By the normal rules of government it should have been ruled legal as it deals with the use of prosecutorial discretion in enforcing the laws. If you cannot enforce fully the executive decides how to proceed. And it clearly cannot be enforced fully. So you get rid of the bad guys and the new arrivals.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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Yes, immigrants are but illegal aliens are not. Immigrants are given an immigrant visa that intends for them to be subject to the jurisdiction and have certain rights and responsibilities and become full citizens/subjects.
Can an illegal immigrant be charged with a crime? Sued if they cause a car accident? First bed by the IRS for failing to pay taxes? Arrested for identity theft? Tried before an immigration Court?

From which one of these things do you claim illegal immigrants have immunity?
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:43 PM
 
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Can an illegal immigrant be charged with a crime? Sued if they cause a car accident? First bed by the IRS for failing to pay taxes? Arrested for identity theft? Tried before an immigration Court?
You are defining subject to the jurisdiction in a way that suits you to only mean being prosecuted. In this context, it means having rights and responsibilities. Illegal aliens are a class of people who are defined as people who should not be subject to US jurisdiction with only the right to be duly processed for deportation.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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You don't find the word "undocumented" to describe illegal aliens either in our immigration laws so if the lefty, liberals want to complain about the use of the word invader they are nothing but hypocrites!

Fine, let's use "deportable aliens."


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Um no, our immigration law lingo does not refer to illegal aliens (the term they actually use) as plain ole immigrants. It would be blurring the lines between who's here legally and who isn't. No such thing as an "undocumented" either.

Our immigration law refers to "deportable aliens." I'm fine with that, if you would prefer.
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