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Old 11-01-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Roboteer View Post
Wrong as usual.

From another thread:

I would like Congress to create a law of who is eligible for birthright citizenship.


They already did.

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http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/the-civil-rights-act-of-1866/

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;


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It has never been repealed, rescinded, or struck down, so it remains fully in force today.

There was some question whether Congress had the authority to pass such a law at the time. But it was never brought before a court or otherwise legally challenged. And the enactment of the 14th amendment a short time later, made it completely constitutional.

Since illegal aliens are subject to a foreign power (the country they came from), they are clearly not citizens of the U.S. And neither are their US-born babies.
It's too bad that the Constitution and its Amendments take precedence. So sad.

 
Old 11-01-2018, 03:55 PM
 
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They are in violation of not intended to being subject to the jurisdiction of the US in the first place. They are just invaders that are intended to stay home. Stop trying to turn them into legal aliens or immigrants. They are not.
"in violation of not intended to being subject..." What language are you speaking?
 
Old 11-01-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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To bad that's not what the 14th amendment says, isn't it?
And neither does the law defining "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

Try again.
What law defining "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?

Try again.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Illegal aliens are not suppose or intended to be here to be subject to any jurisdiction. Legal alien visitors and legal residents are. Why is that too hard to accept?
Whether they are supposed to be here or not does not affect whether they are subject to our laws while they are here.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 03:59 PM
 
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Too bad the 14th amendment doesn't say that, isn't it?

Try again.
It is what the 14th Amendment says.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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Makes all the sense in the world. It's called being an invader or illegal alien. They were not given authorization to be in the US and to be subject to the jurisdiction. They are suppose to remain in their own country's jurisdiction or returned there. Only immigrants are intended to become fully subject to the US jurisdiction.
No one is authorized to be subject to our jurisdiction.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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Liberals:
The 2nd amendment is outdated!

Also liberals:
The 14th amendment is untouchable!
No one has said it is untouchable (well you just did, but no one else).

They said you cannot do via EO, and then explained on how it could be done.
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Old 11-01-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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This reeks of desperation and phony politics.

Trump is just trying to a rabbit out of his ass at the last second before midterms, talking about a huge tax cut for the middle-class (mind you Congress is not in session) and now he's peddling this fear tactics notion saying he'll end the birthright citizenship.

Trump supporters are too blind to see that "little hands" Donnie is just doing this for show, hoping to get his base all riled up to vote next week.
Yeah, we were all just going to stay home and not vote until he brought up birthright citizenship. It didn't matter that we are fighting to keep control of the House and retain the Senate, lol! You Trump haters are too funny!
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:14 PM
 
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Who's trying to get rid of the 14th Amendment? We merely want the Supreme Court to rule on "and" subject to the jurisdiction. It's never been clarified just assumed by PC policy that everyone born on our soil is an instant citizens regardless of their parent's status. I don't know why the left is so up in arms to have that wording clarified. Oh, wait a minute. Yes, I do!


I hope by Trump making an EO on it that it will force the Supreme Court to do so.
The only SCOTUS justice who would rule on this the way you want them to is Kavanaugh because he's carries water for Trump so it would lose 8-1 rather than 9-0
 
Old 11-01-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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There are many jurisdictions and types of jurisdiction in the US. Regarding US jurisdiction generally an illegal alien is suppose to just be deported.
Guess what, if they weren't subject to the jurisdiction of the US we couldn't deport them, or arrest them or convict them of crimes or immigration violations, and since they are not diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, you couldn't even expel them because the law that allows for that, the 1961 Vienna Treaty on Diplomatic Relations specifies diplomats.
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