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Vote against what Waldo? Is there some pending legislation that we didn't know about? And why would we need it, didn't dear leader say he can get rid of birthright citizenship with an executive order?
Also not a serious effort. The bill isn't a amendment, and thats what it needs to be. Just another blatant power grab/propaganda effort.
Democrats should try and introduce a bill redefining guns as ducks, and make a law banning anyone from owning a duck with a 10 round capacity. its more foolishness.
Is this the sort of idiocy you folks want to support? Really?
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
"All persons born" seems pretty straight-forward. I wonder how those that believe in the 'originalism' viewpoint of the Constitution would interpret this clause? What did they mean by 'All persons born'?
In short, President Trump cannot amend the meaning of the Constitution by executive order. I happen to agree that the Constitution should be amended so that 'anchor babies' (meaning, those whose parents are not US citizens) are not citizens simply due to the fact that they were born within our borders. If one parent is a citizen, fine. If both are not, then no citizenship for the child.
But such can only be by amending the Constitution.
EXACTLY!
These people call themselves "conservative", until the very Constitution of the US (COTUS) doesn't fit their agenda. Is Trump a constitutional conservative, or is he not. (Rhetorical question, we all know the answer.)
These people call themselves "conservative", until the very Constitution of the US (COTUS) doesn't fit their agenda. Is Trump a constitutional conservative, or is he not. (Rhetorical question, we all know the answer.)
Did you not see what the actual person who wrote the 14th said about this very subject? Go take a look, it's in the thread.
The parents of Rubio, Haley, and Cruz were legal immigrants. They didn’t need to crap out a baby to anchor them to this country.
Hmmm.....you say they were immigrants, and had babies in US, and the babies were granted birthright citizenship.
Please explain why they should be granted anything just because they were both here? This is the right Trump is trying to cancel. Coming to think of it, one could argue that with Trumps new constitution, no one should be granted citizenship by birth.
PS Ted Cruz father didn't even become a Canadian citizen until 1973. Later he applied for ASYLUM in US.
Hmmm.....you say they were immigrants, and had babies in US, and the babies were granted birthright citizenship.
Please explain why they should be granted anything just because they were both here? This is the right Trump is trying to cancel. Coming to think of it, one could argue that with Trumps new constitution, no one should be granted citizenship by birth.
You people are just straight up ****ed up. Their parents were LEGAL immigrants.
In case some of you did not take notice, this president is a smart cookie.
In issuing this eo, he knows full well it will be heard in the supreme court.
That will take years, and during that time, he may be appointing two more judges,
Now, with a conservative majority on the court, how do you think the vote would go?
I can't believe many of you are so blind to this fact.
I'm old enough to remember when Republicans, and many here on CD, warned President Obama to be judicious in his usage of Executive Orders. Indeed, President Trump frequently tweeted (as a private citizen) his disapproval of E.O.'s.
However, I agree with the thought that 1) Mr. Trump is lying when he said that attorneys in the White House told him that such an executive order would be Constitutional; and 2) Mr. Trump is merely stating this as a political ploy to get his 'base excited' (which it certainly has) before the election.
The problem, as I see it, is that Mr. Trump's base is already 'on base' with him. Such pronouncements, however, may move more voters to the Democrats side of the ballot.
After all, you do have quite a few people in this country whom are 'first generation' citizens, meaning, their parents were not citizens. Indeed, some of the more thoughtful people will think that such an order, if issued two generations ago, would have prevented their own grandparents and parents from achieving citizenship upon birth.
Even if such an order is signed by Mr. Trump, I doubt that even the Conservative Supreme Court would uphold it, unless the five Justices throw out any semblance of neutrality (which, I suppose, is not impossible; however, I feel that, at the least, Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Gorsuch would join the four liberal justices; indeed, even Justice Alito, himself the son of an immigrant, may have some qualms).
It's not simply about whether one's parents are non-citizens. It's whether they were here illegally or not that is the defining factor. How many times does this have to be explained in this thread? If the 14th is re-interpreted the way it was meant and written it won't be retroactive it will be from that point forward.
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