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Old 11-01-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Not a debate about Trump and a executive order, whether that is valid. The question is if it was put to a vote in congress who would oppose it?

Russian women do birth vacations in Miami, central Americans cross the border to give birth, Chinese enter to give birth. End it all for all of them fair enough?

 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Imagine being angry about having to pay for childrens' education in a country that spends $700 billion a year on its military. What a diseased soul.
Grow up. I dont go around handing out all of my money to poor people on the street either, and unless you do, you are a hypocrite in addition to being childish.

You dont pay enough to really care. I get it. Why dont you start paying some real taxes, and then see how you feel about paying for people who have no right to be here?
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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End it all for all of them fair enough?
Of course.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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Nonsense. Dozens of countries have Jus Soil laws.

Depends on the specific criteria one uses.......


High -- >.80 -- HDI Countries (with unrestricted Jus Soli):


United States
Canada
Argentina
Uruguay
Chile


World Bank High Income Economies/Countries (with unrestricted Jus Soli):


United States
Canada
Argentina
Uruguay
Chile
Barbados
Antigua and Barbuda
Panama


High Income OECD Countries (with unrestricted Jus Soli):


United States
Canada
Chile


OECD Development Assistance Committee Member Countries (with unrestricted Jus Soli):


United States
Canada


IMF Advanced Economies/Countries (with unrestricted Jus Soli):


United States
Canada
Bermuda


Permanent Paris Club Member Countries (with unrestricted Jus Soli):


United States
Canada




^^^^^ Those are all of the categories/groupings listed in the 'Developed Countries' Wikipedia article.


The only two countries with unrestricted Jus Soli that are included in every category are the United States and Canada.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Sure, some people were turned back from Ellis island before being admitted into the US. It is still happening at ports of entry every day.
Babies born on Ellis Island to alien mothers/parents were deported. Ellis Island is under US jurisdiction. That in and of itself totally contradicts your misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment.

The Federal Government bought Ellis Island for $10,000 in 1808. Its immigration facility opened in 1892. It's been under US jurisdiction for over 200 years. Babies born there to alien parents were either classified as aliens themselves, or deported. They were NOT granted automatic 14th Amendment US citizenship.

Last edited by InformedConsent; 11-01-2018 at 10:16 AM..
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It absolutely changes it....

Sorry you have a comprehension problem of the constitution...
It does not change it, not to mention the fact that your quote was not even from the Constitution.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Babies born on Ellis Island to alien mothers/parents were deported. Ellis Island is under US jurisdiction. That in and of itself totally contradicts your misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment.
It was a port of entry. A port of entry is a place where people are screened and either admitted into the US, or turned back. Some were admitted, and some were turned back with their babies.

Once a person is admitted into the US, they are protected by the US laws, not before.

Why is this so complicated for you?
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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Grow up. I dont go around handing out all of my money to poor people on the street either, and unless you do, you are a hypocrite in addition to being childish.

You dont pay enough to really care. I get it. Why dont you start paying some real taxes, and then see how you feel about paying for people who have no right to be here?
What economic difference does it make to you if the person attending school is the child of a poor illegal immigrant or a poor legal immigrant? If the illegal immigrant family was replaced by a legal immigrant family with the same makeup, your tax burden - and the school district's budget - remains unchanged.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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It doesn't change it. I am sorry you have a hard time accepting the Constitution as it was written, but there is a way to amend it.

Executive Order is not that way.

I think there would be much support for the amendment (if done via proper channels) from both sides if the aisle.

"Executive Order is not that way. "


Then why did Obama sign MORE then any previous president in history?


You DO KNOW DACA WAS an EXECUTIVE ORDER.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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It does not change it, not to mention the fact that your quote was not even from the Constitution.


It does and I never said it was.
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