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Old 11-01-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
Common law domicile works quite well on out-of-state tuition.
No, it does not. One of my kids is a UW-Madison alumnus. Here's their policy:

https://registrar.wisc.edu/residence/

For their last year of high school, a UW-Madison undergrad enrollee must have been a documented Wisconsin resident or they're classified as an out-of state student and must pay a significantly higher tuition rate.

 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Wow, I must have woke up in upside down world today. There is nothing in the 14th declaring that that the babies of illegal aliens are not citizens. And illegal aliens are subject to the laws of the US, if not we could not charge them with crimes or immigration violations. If you want to play constitutional scholar at least try to confirm that your statements are accurate
There's nothing in the 14th saying the babies of an invading army are not citizens either, but it's understood invaders' children don't get citizenship under common law or the 14th amendment. Illegal aliens are a class of invader not invited or authorized to be inside US jurisdiction.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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There's nothing in the 14th saying the babies of an invading army are not citizens either, but it's understood invaders' children don't get citizenship under common law or the 14th amendment. Illegal aliens are a class of invader not invited or authorized to be inside US jurisdiction.

Only applicable to the children of high-ranking officers in an invading army (an actual army, not immigrants, like you xenophobes like to claim), and it falls within the scope of "subject to the jurisdiction." That language was meant for military and diplomatic relations routinely understood in the international relations of the 19th century.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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What economic difference does it make to you if the person attending school is the child of a poor illegal immigrant or a poor legal immigrant? If the illegal immigrant family was replaced by a legal immigrant family with the same makeup, your tax burden - and the school district's budget - remains unchanged.
That's like saying what difference does it make to you if give something to a person or the person steals it from you, or saying there's no difference between an invited guest and an uninvited guest since they both ate your food.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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There's nothing in the 14th saying the babies of an invading army are not citizens either, but it's understood invaders' children don't get citizenship under common law or the 14th amendment. Illegal aliens are a class of invader not invited or authorized to be inside US jurisdiction.
Illegal aliens are not an invading army so get over yourself. The law as it stands is clear, children born in the US are citizens.

Personally I think birthright citizenship is problematic and would support it being eliminated but only through a constitutional amendment process, not an executive order. And it would have to be applied prospectively I would never support a change that involved revoking the citizenship of people already born here.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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Only applicable to the children of high-ranking officers in an invading army (an actual army, not immigrants, like you xenophobes like to claim), and it falls within the scope of "subject to the jurisdiction." That language was meant for military and diplomatic relations routinely understood in the international relations of the 19th century.
Legal visitors are not immigrants leave alone illegal aliens not being immigrants. A legal permanent resident is an immigrant. An illegal alien is a classification of invader.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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You left out the beginning of Howard's statement and a comma is an and/or conjunction. The full sentence which you conveniently snipped was and can be interpreted as: "citizenship will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners,(or) aliens,(or) who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers".
You are correct. That is what happens when the masses receive a low quality education. Grammar knowledge/skills are atrocious.

You can fly to Bombay via Moscow, via Athens or via Cairo.

Note that in the above example the comma could be replaced by the word "or," but the result would be rather clumsy:

You can fly to Bombay via Moscow or via Athens or via Cairo.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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That's like saying what difference does it make to you if give something to a person or the person steals it from you, or saying there's no difference between an invited guest and an uninvited guest since they both ate your food.

The child born in the United States is not a guest in your analogy--they are a host.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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Illegal aliens are not an invading army so get over yourself. The law as it stands is clear, children born in the US are citizens.

Personally I think birthright citizenship is problematic and would support it being eliminated but only through a constitutional amendment process, not an executive order. And it would have to be applied prospectively I would never support a change that involved revoking the citizenship of people already born here.
Yes illegal aliens are breaking in or remaining in US jurisdiction without authorization, that is a class of intruder, trespasser or invader. Invaders' children do not get citizenship under any reasonable interpretation of birthright citizenship.


You just want an unnecessary constitutional amendment process because you know open borders democrats will block it.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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No, it does not. One of my kids is a UW-Madison alumnus. Here's their policy:

https://registrar.wisc.edu/residence/

For their last year of high school, a UW-Madison undergrad enrollee must have been a documented Wisconsin resident or they're classified as an out-of state student and must pay a significantly higher tuition rate.
Nope. He was a college graduate with years in the Peace Corp and Air Force. His high school was of no interest and he made it clear he would take them to court over the issue. He also ended up President of the Student Bar Association there.

The views of a University may well change when faced with an activist law student with a good case. His personal belief was UW knew all along they would fold but tried to defend the requirement with bureaucracy not actual legal resources.
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