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Old 11-01-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TheCityTheBridge View Post
You should probably look back at Howard's quote before trying to give grammar lessons. Yours do not apply.
Actually, they do.

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, (omit comma, add "or") aliens, (omit comma, add "or") who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

From Senator Howard, who proposed the 14th Amendment's citizenship requirements, explaining WHAT "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means.

It would read:

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners or aliens or who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

Grammar lesson concluded.

 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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This reeks of desperation and phony politics.

Trump is just trying to a rabbit out of his ass at the last second before midterms, talking about a huge tax cut for the middle-class (mind you Congress is not in session) and now he's peddling this fear tactics notion saying he'll end the birthright citizenship.

Trump supporters are too blind to see that "little hands" Donnie is just doing this for show, hoping to get his base all riled up to vote next week.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Actually, they do.

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, (omit comma, add "or") aliens, (omit comma, add "or") who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

From Senator Howard, who proposed the 14th Amendment's citizenship requirements, explaining WHAT "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means.

It would read:

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners or aliens or who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

Grammar lesson concluded.

So you are saying, "if Howard did not say what he actually said, but instead what I want him to have said, then it would mean what I'm saying."


Right.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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No parents involved.
FAFSA for an unemancipated student changes everything. You're as deficient in knowledge about that as you are regarding the 14th Amendment.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:57 PM
 
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WHO BENEFITS?

Pursuant to the republican form of government, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, all men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure. And only those who consent to be governed, surrender that endowment.

Yet, intelligent people accept that this servant government can impose citizenship, with its attendant civic duties that abrogate endowed rights, upon infants, who did not consent. (Ex: militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - which certainly violates any right to life and liberty).

Who benefits from a wholesale fraud that tricks millions into surrendering their endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberties, absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, privileges and immunities?
. . . .
Anyone who is "born a citizen" was born a subject of government, which voids the original delegation of power to secure endowed rights of the sovereign people.

Can't have it both ways.

Either Americans are “sovereigns without subjects” and the government is their servant (equivalent to a regent for the sovereign people), OR Americans are born subject citizens of a sovereign government, with mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights, in exchange for political and civil liberties (privileges).
. . . .
And from whom did that government get the delegated power to deny endowed rights?


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REFERENCE


SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the [SOVEREIGN] people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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Statutes cannot alter the constitution any more than Executive Orders can.
No one challenged that statute as unconstitutional. Because it wasn't.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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OK English professor. The point is illegal aliens are foreign and alien as ambassadors and are not authorized to even enter or be in US jurisdiction. It's just silly to pretend invaders' children were intended to get birthright citizenship.
The mental gymnastics people go through to justify illegal activity is amazing and sad.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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1) The Hausding case was not decided by the Supreme Court.
It was decided by the State Department, applying Federal Law.
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2) The Hausding case is somewhat complicated. Hausding had been born in America, but then moved to Germany, where he lived into adulthood, and had entered "into the majority" as a German citizen, and thus had maintained allegiance to Germany as an adult.

https://history.state.gov/historical.../frus1885/d286

"Can one born a foreign subject, but within the United States, make the option after his majority, and while still living abroad, to adopt the citizenship of his birthplace? It seems not, and that he must change his allegiance by emigration and legal process of naturalization."
How does one involuntarily "lose" US citizenship? Cite the Federal Law and the confirmed cases.
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Wrong. Indians were only refused US citizenship if they were born on an Indian Reservation, which was defacto considered a foreign country. Natives who were born off the reservations were full US citizens.
Refused? They never even had birthright US citizenship until 1924, despite the 14th Amendment.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 01:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by NeutralParty View Post
This reeks of desperation and phony politics.

Trump is just trying to a rabbit out of his ass at the last second before midterms, talking about a huge tax cut for the middle-class (mind you Congress is not in session) and now he's peddling this fear tactics notion saying he'll end the birthright citizenship.

Trump supporters are too blind to see that "little hands" Donnie is just doing this for show, hoping to get his base all riled up to vote next week.
No I insist he issue the EO.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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The mental gymnastics people go through to justify illegal activity is amazing and sad.
Yes it is. Illegal aliens are acting as an invaders or colonizers and those who defend an enable them are the enemy working from within.
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