The campaign against Thanksgiving (Christmas, death, compare, vs)
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I agree with you, but anymore Thanksgiving has just become another holiday, people mainly think of gorging themselves on turkey, stuffing, etc, many people also think its a great time to spend with family...theres really no celebration of the pilgrims or what they had to go thru, people just do it for their own reasons anymore.
Fully agreed. I do the same.
And it's not like the European settlers were all evil people out for blood and the natives were pure as snow. History is more nuanced than that.
And it's not like the European settlers were all evil people out for blood and the natives were pure as snow. History is more nuanced than that.
The Europeans were not evil people at all. Are there any countries that are pure evil?
The tribe they became allies with in Massachusetts was engaged in an ongoing war with another tribe, so they were't all perfect and peaceful.
Both sides had their flaws. Just leave it as it is: neither side was perfect but they did come together for a year or so and they also celebrated a harvest feast with games and friendship.
Kids should be taught both sides in school. And the rest of us, well, some of us do stop and give thanks. And we gather together. There should be no war against a beloved holiday like Thanksgiving.
How times change. Just three years ago we were told the Pilgrims were refugees and the message was to be generous to the next wave of refugees.
Never heard this nonsense. A total failure as an analogy and just maybe the Native Americans would have some tales to tell about the genocide and how their kids were forcibly removed from their homes and beaten into submission to forget their native languages and customs by at the hands of the charitable Christian white men.
Never heard this nonsense. A total failure as an analogy and just maybe the Native Americans would have some tales to tell about the genocide and how their kids were forcibly removed from their homes and beaten into submission to forget their native languages and customs by at the hands of the charitable Christian white men.
In the early days, it was the Indians who were kidnapping colonial children. It works both ways. I have a very distant woman ancestor who was scalped back around 1700. Then there are examples like the Deerfield Massacre of 1704 when women and children were marched in the snow up to Canada. If they couldn't walk fast enough, they were killed on the spot. The ones who made it were kept there. Children were always being kidnapped by the Indians.
Each side was trying to get even with the other side. It's totally normal. Not that we like it or endorse it, but this is human history.
In the early days, it was the Indians who were kidnapping colonial children. It works both ways. I have a very distant woman ancestor who was scalped back around 1700. Then there are examples like the Deerfield Massacre of 1704 when women and children were marched in the snow up to Canada. If they couldn't walk fast enough, they were killed on the spot. The ones who made it were kept there. Children were always being kidnapped by the Indians.
Each side was trying to get even with the other side. It's totally normal. Not that we like it or endorse it, but this is human history.
Just maybe it was revenge. The Native American learned about taking scalps from the white folks.
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Contrary to popular myth, it was not a Native American custom but a colonial one first.
Scalping on the American continent was first instituted by the Dutch colonial government around New York when they actually set a bounty for killing Indians.
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In the early days, it was the Indians who were kidnapping colonial children. It works both ways. I have a very distant woman ancestor who was scalped back around 1700. Then there are examples like the Deerfield Massacre of 1704 when women and children were marched in the snow up to Canada. If they couldn't walk fast enough, they were killed on the spot. The ones who made it were kept there. Children were always being kidnapped by the Indians.
Each side was trying to get even with the other side. It's totally normal. Not that we like it or endorse it, but this is human history.
The Deerfield Massacre happened during Queen Anne's War, in this case the French helped conduct the raid, or at least supported it from a distance. The Natives were pawns in the Franco-English struggle for domination of North America.
Thanksgiving has always been a fond remembrance of the English pioneers who built what would one day become the United States of America. So I guess it was inevitable, in this postmodern age, that the holiday would come under assault. Here PBS Newshour puts its seal of approval on a "growing movement" that is encouraging elementary school teachers to vilify the early settlers, stressing the diseases they brought and the massacres they committed.
At 33:00, a Colorado teacher tell her kids, "So, are you guys ready to have your minds blown? So if you guys can take one thing away from social studies in 3rd grade, I want you to take away, the Pilgrims overtook the Native Americans and took everything that they had worked so hard for."
Apparently this is the current mainstream liberal view of Thanksgiving.
Ah, another great educator drinking the kool-aid.
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