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Those who still think all this is made up to "get" Trump would benefit by reading Michael Cohen's sentencing memo, released last evening and readily available online (just look for it, my old computer has trouble posting links).
Lots of new information is included, some of it quite revealing re. Trump's efforts to obtain funding for the Trump Tower/Hotel in Moscow which never came to fruition.
The implications for Trump are very, very damaging.
I don't think anyone is arguing that an unlimited investigation can turn up damaging/criminal information.
What I'm arguing is that the investigators never started with a specific allegation of "Trump worked with the Russian illegally to XYZ." They're trying to find something that they insert for XYZ so they look like they're not wasting effort.
A lot of people bought into the WMD scam. And many have regretted it. It doesn't make Mueller incompetent.
In both cases (WMDs and Russia Collusion) we are not dealing with an objective investigation. The investigator's job is not to answer the question "Is there evidence for X?" The investigator's job is to find evidence to support the X theme/idea. The conclusion is fixed from the beginning.
It is now public knowledge that during the campaign while was Trump swearing on numerous occasions that there were no deals with Russia, he was at that exact same time negotiating through his lawyer a huge real estate deal that involved communications to the highest levels in Russia.
That level of dishonestly by the guy you voted for doesn't bother you guys?
And also at that exact same time, Russia was conducting full-on cyber-espionage and cyber-terrorism attacks against the US. And you think, what -- just a big coincidence? US Intelligence agencies had proof of these Russian attacks, and you had Trump on the world stage say they didn't do it -- because Putin said so.
Then in the midst of all this, Trump softens sanctions for Russia's crimes against Crimea and the Ukraine. Another coincidence?
And you guys don't even think the DOJ should look into this. Really?
Your level of complacency is breathtaking. UnAmerican, I don't know what else to call it.
TRANSLATION: You're right, the appointment of Mueller mentioned no specific crimes at all, in violation of the law describing Special Counsels and their appointments.
It is literally "an investigation in search of a crime".
Exactly what the Special Counsel law was written to AVOID.
Mostly agree, and/or Trump has enough money to lawyer up over the course of his career to stay clear of convictions that others might not have been able to avoid. Trump has certainly be part of an impressive number of law suits in any case, as the defendant. Lots and lots! Not many of us who don't well recognize how lots of money and lots of lawyers can help criminals stay out of jail. That said, like you I believe in the basic premise that presumes innocence until proven guilty, and we have no choice but wait until the legal process determines what it will.
Thing is too, however, lots of Trump supporters focus only on what charges of collusion have been proven as if to completely ignore what other charges against others in Trump's swamp HAVE been proven. For many Americans anyway, what we know already is bad enough already! Not to mention all the rest about Trump's presidency so far that stinks, having nothing to do with this investigation...
YES -- hence the interesting statement made by Trump fan Dershowitz that the Mueller report will be devastating to Trump politically but probably no criminal charges.
No such crime as "conspiracy." It has to be "conspiracy to [insert something illegal]." For example, I my friend and I just conspired to meet up for Chinese food at 8:15 p.m.
Similar to "lying to investigators," this a "crime" that is about the supposed investigation of a crime, so it is completely irrelevant. It is a perfect example of how this is an investigation that is trying to create crimes out of thin air.
I am not a lawyer, but I know that both "collaboration" and "conspiracy" are used legally when this applies to working with an enemy of the State against the State. And yes, "conspiracy" has to be followed by something, (conspiracy to commit .....) but I would have thought that was implied by my statement. And yes, obstruction of justice is a crime. This country has a history of presidents getting into trouble for that.
My comment was just that "collusion" was the wrong word to use, and that language that the press (and just about everybody else) used to describe the crimes that were being investigated should have been more exact.
In both cases (WMDs and Russia Collusion) we are not dealing with an objective investigation. The investigator's job is not to answer the question "Is there evidence for X?" The investigator's job is to find evidence to support the X theme/idea. The conclusion is fixed from the beginning.
Would you like me to post again what the investigation was to entail according to Rosenstein's memo? Mueller is doing exactly what he was tasked to do, and has turned up a lot of players in the meantime. Of course the conclusion is not "fixed." That's what the investigation is for, to determine what exactly happened.
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