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I'm sure they can all move to NY and take a shot at success, but if they do that there nation is gone.
Having their own "nation" is mostly of benefit to the band leaders, and to the Indian casino consultants. The benefit to the average Native American is dubious.
Having their own "nation" is mostly of benefit to the band leaders, and to the Indian casino consultants. The benefit to the average Native American is dubious.
Every nation that does not produce anything to even be remotely self sufficient, is a 3rd and 4th world hellhole.
That is the jist of it. What value do they have to other people in the world? What do they produce of value? NOTHING! There you go.
Having their own "nation" is mostly of benefit to the band leaders, and to the Indian casino consultants. The benefit to the average Native American is dubious.
That's the problem, you want them to disband, rather than allow them to build a self sustaining economy outside of corporate capitalism in their own land.
if I lived on a reservation that had no plumbing or power, I would MOVE
if this is even true,,,which I doubt
our corrupt crap government PUT them there...does anyone think this crap government is also the SOLUTION to this problem??
the government...cause of and solution to all our problems...very true...except for the last part
yes taking native americans off the land (not THEIR land, they did not believe in land ownership) and putting them in reservations was wrong...no doubt
but if these reservations want to get better AS a community, then they need to do it themselves without begging to the same government that put them there...if they want to get better as individuals (a better solution) then go to school, avoid the drug and drink stereotypes, and get the heck out
{sigh) Yes, you are correct. However since they receive a check from the government every month if they live on the rez and a large amount of money when they turn 18 there is no incentive. Reservations are really not "poor" because there is no individual income. They are however run down and dilapidated because of what individual income is spent on.
At least the rez I grew up and lived most of my life butted up against works thus. It's pretty remote but has tons of viable farm land of which only a fraction is used. Government supplied equipment sits rotting in a boneyard and has never turned a lick. Really expensive stuff like big tractors, swathers, balers, cubers you name it.
But the monthly checks and that big turned 18 one get put into maybe a nice car that ends up on blocks in their yard and lots of drugs and booze. They just don't care about bettering themselves beyond having a house and the supplied income. They can always get a ride to the smoke shop to get booze and tip the driver with a 12 pack.
Don't think for a second that the federal govt doesn't just pour money into Indian reservations and their occupants. And they pay no taxes. Only if they get a job off the rez. In the rare case. Yes, the reservations are wrong. I fully agree. Especially now in how they are funded and managed.
Solutions begin with respect and understanding: (1) stop mockery and trivialization as displayed in sport mascots, pictures, big chief tablets, and the like...it'll take a couple generations to get this almost corrected btw (2) understand they're sovereign Nations deserving of access to clean water on this continent of America (3) understand many Nations rely on the US government precisely because of the location of the reservations...so get over it (4) understand the reason for ICWA was because of whitewashing, and also quantum blood is not relative (5) quit being so ethnocentric, maybe they're living green...that those tires on the roof are a great idea after all (6) call bullsh#t when the state of Wyoming won't honor a tribe's treaty, or Judge Paxton thinks Tribes are a"race", instead of the Nation that they are.
Economic growth and development in a country already past the stage of subsistence farming (which ours pass like 180ish years ago) does not require farm land and abundant natural resources. Phoenix, Albequerque, Las Vegas etc...all thriving economies smack in the middle of geographical wastelands. Seriously, San Francisco is a geographically awful place to house a major city if that city's economy depends on much more than shipping/fishing.
Let us assume that there is a NA reservation somewhere close to a proper interstate, within a decent driving distance of a major non-NA city, airport, etc, and you are looking for a spot for corporate HQ. What does the reservation offer outside of tax breaks? Educated, capable workforce? Infrastructure? Services? Technology?
Remember, regardless of how that land came to be theirs, what history led to the demise of the hunter/gatherer nomad culture or the fact that cars replaced horses thus diminishing the importance of skills for hunting while on horseback; the NA people own that land, and this is the world as we know it, not how we envision it circa 1725 or something.
What they do with that land that they own is up to them. Thus far, the only industry that seems to be popular is casinos, and that's because of ownership and tax law more than anything else. They have to invest their energy, their time and their resources into that land to create and/or attract economic growth and development. Since the deal is they own and we as a surrounding nation cannot interfere, then the problem lies within the tribal land itself.
Past racial grievances don't build office buildings or lay technology infrastructure. Money, energy and time do that. Revisiting the sins Manifest Destiny doesn't build schools or attract graduate and post graduate intellect to tribal lands. Money, energy and time do that. Basically, quit crying and get to work. What redevelops neighborhoods in non-tribal towns/cities? All of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's whining put together over 40 years hasn't accomplished as much for improving urban neighborhoods as young professionals trying to buy cheap real estate and make a buck has. But those young professionals RISK bucks to make the bigger ones. Money, time and energy must be spent.
Why the NA folks on various reservations won't spend the money, time and energy is a mystery to me. They have a degree of autonomy with their own land that no other Americans possess, and yet they seem to do very, very little with that autonomy. It is kind of baffling, truth be told.
Solutions begin with respect and understanding: (1) stop mockery and trivialization as displayed in sport mascots, pictures, big chief tablets, and the like...it'll take a couple generations to get this almost corrected btw
What do sport mascots styled after Native American heroes of one kind or another have to do with their current economic failure?
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(2) understand they're sovereign Nations deserving of access to clean water on this continent of America
Who says they are sovereign nations? Conquest and movement of peoples have occurred since time immemorial. Or else the Great Rift Valley of Africa would be a rather crowded place. Or is it only people that have managed to succeed that need to be dismembered to satisfy some social justice agenda?
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(3) understand many Nations rely on the US government precisely because of the location of the reservations...so get over it
Who is forcing them to remain other than band leaders?
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(4) understand the reason for ICWA was because of whitewashing, and also quantum blood is not relative
Not familiar with them. Sorry.
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(5) quit being so ethnocentric, maybe they're living green...that those tires on the roof are a great idea after all
Huh?
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(6) call bullsh#t when the state of Wyoming won't honor a tribe's treaty, or Judge Paxton thinks Tribes are a"race", instead of the Nation that they are.
What does this thread have to do with Judge Paxton?
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