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Old 12-17-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Karl Marx predicted that once a communistic society was established there would be a "withering away of the state"; and while Ayn Rand never said so directly, many of her most fervent disciples believe in an anarcho-capitalist "society without coercion".

In the Real World, neither Utopia came to pass.

As a "reformed" libertarian, I can acknowledge the need for a basic "safety net" and, as with a decennial census, the need t monitor the economy's performance and effects on a nationwide basis; [U}but the problem here is how to police that safety-net[/u] against an apparently-growing number who seek to abuse it.

And admittedly, a large part of the issue springs from the fact that that increasing component of aging burn-outs sees itself as having little or no "skin in the game", and that our superficial youth-and-glamour-obsessed media, hiding within its bi-coastal enclaves, offers little or no direct incentives for foresight -- preferring instead to pander to class envy and economic naivete',

Every successful entrepreneur, large or small, knows that the secret to developing a successful enterprise is to generate income and to convert as much as possible of that income into capital; but it's difficult to get employees on the same page in our "consumerist" society.

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Old 12-17-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is why they're such a big political divide in America. Too many people believe the extreme hype about the opposing party.

The outrage machine generates more clicks. More clicks generate more revenue.
the problem is a broadbrush




the answer is not ALL


but generally..the liberals happen to be the more closet racist, and the more progressive (communism/socialism/fascism)


liberals have been pushing communism and socialism since the 30's..and FDR found the "3rd way" of fascism
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Thanks for helping me make my point.

Not all Republicans.
Not all Democrats.
It's true that people in both parties generalize and stereotype the other party. The difference is in elected representatives of each party.


Democrat elected officials routinely outright assert or undeniably imply that their political opponents are racists.


The same can't be said about elected Republicans to my knowledge. Have elected Republicans stated that Democrats or people who vote for Democrats are communists?
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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It's true that people in both parties generalize and stereotype the other party. The difference is in elected representatives of each party.


Democrat elected officials routinely outright assert or undeniably imply that their political opponents are racists.


The same can't be said about elected Republicans to my knowledge. Have elected Republicans stated that Democrats or people who vote for Democrats are communists?
This is disingenuous. Both sides routinely demonize the other. Do you deny this?
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:42 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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This is disingenuous. Both sides routinely demonize the other. Do you deny this?
You didn't answer my question, so I don't think you really want a discussion. You just want to paint both sides as equally to blame, when I suspect you know that isn't true.


The Democrats are FAR worse than the Republicans when it comes to demonizing people. We saw that with Judge Kavanaugh, but it's been going on for decades.
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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You didn't answer my question, so I don't think you really want a discussion. You just want to paint both sides as equally to blame, when I suspect you know that isn't true.

The Democrats are FAR worse than the Republicans when it comes to demonizing people. We saw that with Judge Kavanaugh, but it's been going on for decades.
Thanks for keeping it civil. We disagree.
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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What stereotypes are often applied with what I see as the 3rd major American political party, the Libertarians?
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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What stereotypes are often applied with what I see as the 3rd major American political party, the Libertarians?
Drug-addicted delinquent is what I think of when I think of a libertarian.
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Old 12-17-2018, 11:01 AM
 
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I've learned some things on C-D from people with whom I disagree. It happens.

I won't stop posting threads like this. It might wake some people up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVdRyf93Vs
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Old 12-17-2018, 11:02 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Yet another new definition of communist. Cute
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