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LOL I'm not bending myself into any sort of pretzel trying to prove anything. I am simply taking note of small discrepencies, behavior, etc. like an objective, fact driven person does.
My family is very, very multiracial and diverse and I'm pretty sure they haven't behaved perfectly while traveling either. But in spite of the various shades of brown (including some very dark brown) none of them have ever been called out or whatever in a hotel lobby either. But if they were, my first question to them would be "Were you behaving yourself?" not "Do you think you were the victim of racism?"
Exactly. Everything is turned into political hay nowadays, social media being the biggest driver of this, with the lazy mainstream media following in lockstep.
He had his feet up on the sofa.Black or white that instantly signifies someone common who doesn't know how to behave with manners.
Security were absolutely right to approach this oaf.
I didn't even want to address the stupid point about the feet on the sofa, but I'll take the 2 seconds.
Look at marketing materials from companies like Hilton trying to cater to millennials. Go to a modern hotel. Lobbies and common areas are being designed in such a way that people feel more comfortable lounging and relaxing there.
Looks like the security guard was put on leave, so we have yet another thread where members find a way to try and defend racists in situations where no one else will.
When you think about it that way, you guys really are standing up for the oppressed.
Sorry, there was another thread on this topic and apparently it's been deleted (I didn't start it but I can't find it now and it's not merged with this one.)
Here's the article, but I'll also copy and paste from it for your reading pleasure:
So there are some links for you to peruse. Sorry for any confusion. I didn't realize the other thread had disappeared - or that I was even ON two threads - LOL.
I wonder why this was not reported? I have to go back to the original link that was posted. This clearly tells a different story.
I wonder why this was not reported? I have to go back to the original link that was posted. This clearly tells a different story.
I don't know but there is always more to the story than the victim's account, and snippets of video. Like I said on the other thread, I am a natural born skeptic and one of my life mantras is "Seek first to understand" so I always look at the "side stories." Demeanor, dress, behavior in other venues, other eyewitness accounts, etc. I don't jump to conclusions and I am definitely NOT a racist. But I am a pretty skeptical person. I freely admit it. I have often thought I should have gone into law or forensics.
We don't know whether or not Massey was being loud or quiet. We do know this though:
1. The hotel is downtown in an area with a homeless problem - hence the security guard. Generally speaking, Doubletree guests don't want the lobby to be a flop house for the local homeless population.
2. Massey was dressed very casually and had his feet up on the sofa and was talking on the phone. When he was approached, he did not initially offer any proof that he was a guest - he said in fact that he didn't remember his room number. This could have been avoided had he simply shown his key - which was in a packet, with the room number clearly marked on it. But he didn't do that, and became annoyed quickly and then whipped out his phone and started recording stuff, and yelling and claiming that he was a former FBI agent. (Anyone know anything about that yet? I can't find anything on his Instagram page though I do see TONS of photos of partying going on.)
According to his Instagram page, Massey travels a LOT. A whole lot. Internationally. Apparently to some very expensive locales. He should know how to behave in a Doubletree hotel lobby.
Welp, that just destroyed the OP's narrative. It wasn't because he was black, it was because he had a crappy attitude.
I don't know but there is always more to the story than the victim's account, and snippets of video. Like I said on the other thread, I am a natural born skeptic and one of my life mantras is "Seek first to understand" so I always look at the "side stories." Demeanor, dress, behavior in other venues, other eyewitness accounts, etc. I don't jump to conclusions and I am definitely NOT a racist. But I am a pretty skeptical person. I freely admit it. I have often thought I should have gone into law or forensics.
I disagree. I am Hispanic and one time had an uncomfortable situation with a woman from Spain in a hotel in Guatemala. I was about to go in a dorm room which cost $4 per person, and this lady in a very rude tone asked me where I was going, that that was a private room. [I imagine if it was her own country she would have sounded even worst] I gave her the benefit of the doubt and said: "I was placed here, Did you pay for a private room? Maybe there was a mistake." And she just looked confused and said OK. I could have responded in her same tone, and tell her I was going in the dorm room and that she sounded like a bigot. But I think my response was more appropriate.
Yup.
This crap happens to me all the time and maybe I am too polite about how I've been responding to it.
Bc it's like a slow burn that builds and builds and who knows....?
The fundamental issue with the whole controversy is this:
I. Hotel security may have genuinely--even if preposterously, in retrospect--felt a concern to public safety;
II. racism needs to be eliminated from society--including, to the extent possible, its subconscious forms that tend to drive certain tendencies that will have unfairly disparate impacts on the basis of race.
Both of these conditions are undeniably true to any reasonable American, so why can't we reconcile them?
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