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View Poll Results: Is it time to end the war on drugs?
Hell no. These things are killing our people, poisoning our communities, harming our families and hurting our country. 11 20.75%
No. I wish it were, but the costs are well more than the benefits. We must find a way to fix this. 1 1.89%
Yes, we have wasted hundreds of billions on this war and all we do is lose. Time to surrender. 23 43.40%
Hell yes. If people want to get high and kill themselves, they should be free to do that. 15 28.30%
Other {Explain below} 3 5.66%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-30-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: London
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If we ended the war on drugs, we would go into a depression.
Think how many would be out of a job and not needed.
Then maybe those people need to develop skills outside of being jackboot thugs. If the economy is that strongly based on oppression, then there are bigger fundamental problems than people choosing what to do with their own bodies.
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Old 12-30-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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Drugs like fentanyl, opioids and meth are causing careers to be ruined and both families and communities to be destroyed. And apparently most of the fentanyl is being smuggled in from China.
Certainly. But the damage being caused by that is dwarfed by the damage caused by The War On Drugs.

Fentanyl deaths are measured in the thousands every year. Casualties from The War On Drugs are measured in the millions every year. But it is swept under the rug, and we tend to pay attention only to what the media tells us to.

Then we compound the problem by being completely closed-minded to different approaches that are working elsewhere in the world. The result: The mess we are in today.

The War On Drugs Is Not Working.
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Old 12-30-2018, 10:56 AM
 
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Certainly. But the damage being caused by that is dwarfed by the damage caused by The War On Drugs.

Fentanyl deaths are measured in the thousands every year. Casualties from The War On Drugs are measured in the millions every year. But it is swept under the rug, and we tend to pay attention only to what the media tells us to.

Then we compound the problem by being completely closed-minded to different approaches that are working elsewhere in the world. The result: The mess we are in today.

The War On Drugs Is Not Working.
I agree that the 'War on drugs' is not working very well. What I disagree with is the suggestion that we should therefore just give up and surrender.
  1. Do we need to re-evaluate many of our methods? Sure.
  2. Do we need to stop coddling certain key players that have played central roles in the promotion of these problems, such as medical doctors and drug companies? Absolutely.
  3. Do we need to continue to reduce the punitive approach against small-time users, as almost every state is now doing? Of course.
  4. Do we want to allow these highly addictive drugs to be used indiscriminately by people who have no medical need for them? Hell no.
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Old 12-30-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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[*]Do we want to allow these highly addictive drugs to be used indiscriminately by people who have no medical need for them? Hell no.[/list]
OP, if I may ask, what is your stance on assisted suicide (obviously provided that the assistant is willing), or suicide in general? Let's assume they're able to do it in a way that would minimally involve others.

I only ask because I suspect many people who have these stances have an aversion to people actively ending their lives, often for religious reasons.

If we do not get to choose to be born, should we not at least have the right to choose to die earlier than nature would allow?
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Old 12-30-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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Just point blank anyone selling drugs should be killed on the spot.
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Old 12-30-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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Just point blank anyone selling drugs should be killed on the spot.
Ah, the Duterte Method. No due process or basic human rights necessary.
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Old 12-30-2018, 01:55 PM
 
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Portugal decriminalized drugs and has seen a dramatic drop in the number of addicts. Would it work here? Who knows? But our current "plan" is certainly not working
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