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Old 01-01-2019, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I have volunteered as an advocate. Many, if not most, single people on SSDI are not eligible for SNAP and some SSI recipients are not eligible either. It depends on state guidelines. The monthly check maximum for SSI (here anyway) is $771 a month. It depends on rent and utility costs to determine if they are eligible. If they live in subsidized housing, their chance of getting SNAP decreases. Some are not even eligible for Medicaid. If they have approximately $300 spendable income, they are expected to buy their food, clothes etc. with that. And if they have Medicaid, prescription deductibles also come from the $300. That is why people say they can either eat or take their meds.
So tell me why people want to be disabled.
That's the truth ^ and when rent for a 1 bedroom apartment goes from $600 to $1100 in 5 years many people living on SS or SSDI are finding themselves homeless. And in the face of this HUD pushes more rapid rehousing vouchers which are nothing more than a cruel trick to play on a poor person in a high rent area. If a qualifying person becomes homeless, they can be issued a rapid rehousing voucher which pays for moving expenses and some or all of the rent usually for less than 6 months, after which time the voucher expires and the recipient is faced with paying the same market rate rent that caused them to become homeless. There are elderly and disabled people here, as well as entire families living in their cars because they've been priced out of housing. The only cohort in this are for which there has been a serious effort toward providing housing are veterans.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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Here is another point to ponder. Profit is getting more out of something than you put into it. Workers, owners and customers, in trade, are the entities involved in commerce. If one profits from the interaction between workers, owners and customers, then someone in that exchange is shorted. Again, profit is getting more out than you put in, which cannot happen unless someone else involved got less back from what they put in. This is a FACT. Now, people WILLFULLY enter into such unequal exchanges because they may VALUE something or may feel that is the best option they have, so they accept getting the short end of the deal because they NEED a source of income or they need a certain product.
no one gets shorted. The owner put in risk-and gets rewarded for that.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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no one gets shorted. The owner put in risk-and gets rewarded for that.
THAT ^ is what many fail to understand.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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That's the truth ^ and when rent for a 1 bedroom apartment goes from $600 to $1100 in 5 years many people living on SS or SSDI are finding themselves homeless. And in the face of this HUD pushes more rapid rehousing vouchers which are nothing more than a cruel trick to play on a poor person in a high rent area. If a qualifying person becomes homeless, they can be issued a rapid rehousing voucher which pays for moving expenses and some or all of the rent usually for less than 6 months, after which time the voucher expires and the recipient is faced with paying the same market rate rent that caused them to become homeless. There are elderly and disabled people here, as well as entire families living in their cars because they've been priced out of housing. The only cohort in this are for which there has been a serious effort toward providing housing are veterans.
The public housing units in my area have a constant waiting list of over 400 and there are only 200 units to begin with. All 400 are already qualified eligible. I did work on the units for over 10 years. Privately owned apts. start at $600 + utilities, out of reach for someone getting less than $800 a month.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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no one gets shorted. The owner put in risk-and gets rewarded for that.
Yes but without employees the owner would be nothing no matter how smart or clever he or she is. By definition the surplus value workers produce is siphoned off.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yes but without employees the owner would be nothing no matter how smart or clever he or she is. By definition the surplus value workers produce is siphoned off.
By definition, employees work for what they've agreed to be paid. Period.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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no one gets shorted. The owner put in risk-and gets rewarded for that.

What risk? They take out a loan or use their savings without guarantee of success. By that logic buying a home, getting a car loan, etc, is also a risk. If you default you just get bad credit. Most people get financing in our society, of some sort. It's not like someone is going to kill the person if the business fail....or that they will be thrown in jail. Risk my azz.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:14 AM
 
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Yes but without employees the owner would be nothing no matter how smart or clever he or she is. By definition the surplus value workers produce is siphoned off.
The idea the owner had and the risk he took have the most value in the equation, except at the most skilled of jobs.

In most cases, thousands of different people could do the job well interchangeably, but the idea and willingness to risk were solely obtainable via one person. The original owner.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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What risk? They take out a loan or use their savings without guarantee of success. By that logic buying a home, getting a car loan, etc, is also a risk.
100% true. And what happens when that loan isn't paid off? The home is foreclosed. The car is repossessed. Hence, the risk.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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100% true. And what happens when that loan isn't paid off? Hence, the risk.

What happens when any loan is not paid off? Look, our whole economy today is predicated upon financing and debt. EVERYONE is taking the risk of debt, not just business owners. The only thing that happens is that you can default, which can result in bad credit. You can file for bankruptcy if you need to. Trump did it many times. Again, risk my azz...that is what they want to make it seem like to justify shorting the labor. Keep in mind the the wealthy control the narrative.


One risk that I neglected is the risk of being sued/litigation. However, that is what insurance if for and that gets integrated in the product price point. In other words, there are protections against the risk faced by business owners.
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