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Old 01-04-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: IL
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Well then let's just grind them up and use them for fertilizer
the long term goal would be that they aren't born in the first place
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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the long term goal would be that they aren't born in the first place
Tell that to the anti-abortion zealots
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There is no requirement but they charge them far higher tuition and don't give them any of the low income discounts or grants that they offer Catholic kids.
I've never heard of that. Tuition is posted online, and is the same for everyone, with the exception that there might be a multi-child per family small discount. Any family. Catholic, Christian, or not.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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Well then let's just grind them up and use them for fertilizer
I'm good with just not artificially financially supporting them. Why rob from Peter to pay Paul? Peter gets poorer, and Paul learns he doesn't have to earn his livelihood. That's a lose/lose.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Actually, some, they do. As to chronic trouble makers? No. They're expelled as they consistently drag down everyone else's ability to learn. Public schools used to isolate trouble makers, too, but they no longer do so, to their detriment.
They might not have an official policy of not accepting them but you will quickly find out that "ooops the 4th grade class is full" when you walk in to enroll your kid in a wheelchair. At least be honest enough to admit it, it's why their costs are not as high as public schools. Many of them pay equivalent salaries, their facility costs aren't that much cheaper so what's left?
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Be responsible. If you aren't married? DON'T HAVE KIDS! Pretty simple advice. Or are you disagreeing, and saying that a surefire way to get out of poverty is to have a boatload of kids as a single mom?

Good grief.

Amazing that people are crapping on BASIC guidelines for the MAJORITY to avoid being poor.

I think some of you want poor people because it makes you feel better. I can't figure it out. Everyone is arguing FOR poverty. "Well, they'll still be poor. Doesn't matter what anyone does, they will always be poor."

Getting a job and postponing being a parent? "Well that's TERRIBLE advice."

Good grief. It's just weird. Seriously mind-blowingly weird.
The truth? They want to feel superior to others, and that's the way they accomplish it. If others are poorer than they are, they can feel superior and smug.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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I'm good with just not artificially financially supporting them. Why rob from Peter to pay Paul? Peter gets poorer, and Paul learns he doesn't have to earn his livelihood. That's a lose/lose.
Maybe because we understand the dire consequences of allowing people to starve to death, both to our society and our individual sense of morality We are not all like you, we don't rejoice in kicking dirt in the face of someone who has fallen down. The lose-lose is when people can't understand how much we have in common with every other human being. While you were raised learning to quote "Rob Peter to pay Paul", my parents were teaching me to remember that "there but for the grace of God go I"
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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The whole welfare is a lifestyle schtick is conservative propaganda meant to demonize the poor and convince the middle class to cut social welfare programs.
Actually, it's not. 70% of those born into poverty never even rise to middle class. And remember, 48% of all US births are paid by Medicaid, the free public assistance health program for the poor, by Medicaid's own admission. 48%
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"New research by Pew's Economic Mobility Project finds 70 percent of those who are born in the bottom fifth never climb to even the middle of the economic ladder.

...Seventeen percent who were born in the bottom fifth of income make it up to the middle as adults. Nine percent make it up to the fourth highest fifth and a measly 4 percent climb to the top fifth of income in the United States."
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...hers-dont.html

I'm guessing some of you don't get out much and never see the societal devastation that wreaks.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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Tell that to the anti-abortion zealots
Why do you think abortion is the only form of birth control? That's a rather odd position to take.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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They might not have an official policy of not accepting them but you will quickly find out that "ooops the 4th grade class is full" when you walk in to enroll your kid in a wheelchair. At least be honest enough to admit it, it's why their costs are not as high as public schools. Many of them pay equivalent salaries, their facility costs aren't that much cheaper so what's left?
That's purely conjecture on your part, based on your biases. I know for a fact there were disabled kids in local parochial schools. The government pays for their classroom personal aides and transportation, as necessary. Luckily, their tuition is much lower than the spending per pupil at the local public schools, so the government comes out ahead on the deal. One less public school student @ $14,000/year. One student added to the parochial school at $6,250/year tuition.
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