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View Poll Results: What contributed most to the decline of the Rust Belt?
Unfair trade agreements /outsourcing 32 39.51%
Government overregulation including the EPA 8 9.88%
Unions becoming too demanding 24 29.63%
Overtaxation of American industries 5 6.17%
Competition from the Sun Belt 10 12.35%
Deterioration of race relations in Rust Belt cities 2 2.47%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-07-2019, 09:51 PM
 
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Bwaahaa That is rich.
Its true. The contracts have to be filed with security exchanges, btw, if corp is publicly traded.

Many are available online to anyone who cares to read them.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:55 PM
 
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Its true. The contracts have to be filed with security exchanges, btw, if corp is publicly traded.

Many are available online to anyone who cares to read them.
Since when is the entire business world publicaly traded companies. That is your first fallacy. Most are private owned.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:59 PM
 
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Since when is the entire business world publicaly traded companies. That is your first fallacy. Most are private owned.
Most privately owned are hardly paying execs the big bonuses lefties hate.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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Most privately owned are hardly paying execs the big bonuses lefties hate.
Link please. If you can no provide a link then it is just bloviating.,
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Yet if you ask Rust Belt people why there's unmet need, unemployment, homelessness, closed factories, they generally answer "no one has enough money." Wait, who has all the money?! Isn’t Bill Gates bidding up the price for milk and cookies? No. We’re suffering inflation in the midst of a money drought, which voids the claim that inflation is “too much money chasing too few goods.”

What else might interfere with basic prosperity - the prodigious production, equitable trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services?

Government. Banks. The money system. Government. Socialism. Government.

Tax (Fed) per GNP
1905 0.93 %
1910 0.83 %

Today? Aggregate spending by all levels of government (local, state, federal) ranges from 38% to 44% of the GDP.

It may be just an infestation of parasites that is the underlying cause of the economic decline.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:18 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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For decades, management in the automotive industry refused to make decent small cars. That meant that Boomers bought small imports and then graduated to larger imports. It was very simple. It was gross mismanagement in that sector. Each sector had its own reason. Trying to make it political is grossly wrong.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Outsourcing and automation. You can’t fight technology or Father Time.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:23 PM
 
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It is the unions fault they went way too far, and played a big role in killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

However, new job and industries emerged-largely not repeating those mistakes of the past.
Yeah...the working man ALWAYS goes too far, huh? They should settle for Mexico’s wages instead. That way, all the plants would’ve stayed here. Lol
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:32 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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For decades, management in the automotive industry refused to make decent small cars. That meant that Boomers bought small imports and then graduated to larger imports. It was very simple. It was gross mismanagement in that sector. Each sector had its own reason. Trying to make it political is grossly wrong.
Some blame the Arab oil embargo for the movement toward smaller cars. But larger cars in in vogue again with large pickup trucks and SUVs (I currently drive a small SUV and my next vehicle will be a F150 or a Chevy Silverado truck). Now we have enough domestic oil production to not rely on the Middle East. There were also fuel efficiency standards based on the global warming theory.
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:46 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Some blame the Arab oil embargo for the movement toward smaller cars. But larger cars in in vogue again with large pickup trucks and SUVs (I currently drive a small SUV and my next vehicle will be a F150 or a Chevy Silverado truck). Now we have enough domestic oil production to not rely on the Middle East. There were also fuel efficiency standards based on the global warming theory.
Oil is not a limitless asset. We need to eventually have better public transportation, nationwide and switch to other methods of fueling private vehicles.

I picked one example.

I'm a Boomer and I bought my first car, a small import, prior to the oil embargo. My father called me a fool for buying the car that I bought. He had to eat his words when the embargo started.

Nothing about the demise of places in the rust belt goes for all places. It also can't be boiled down to politics. There was nothing political about bad management in the car industry.
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