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We can agree on this. There is no way that the First Amendment would ever jibe with Sharia Law.
Here's where we disagree. I'm not on the Left, but it may seem so, as since I am Canadian, I am apparently a commie pinko socialist (). But I do not support Sharia. It goes against my country's values, morals, and constitution.
Here's a story: back in the mid-2000s, the province of Ontario was being heavily lobbied by Ontario Muslims, to adopt Sharia in family matters (divorce, child custody, etc.). Not criminal matters, not civil lawsuit matters, not property matters, just family. After all, Jewish tribunals had been able to adjudicate Jewish family matters in Ontario for years. There was a precedent, argued a few Muslims.
But the Muslim proposal ran counter to Ontario's human rights laws, Ontario's division of property laws upon divorce, and so on and so on. Now get this--as a result, Ontario cancelled the ability of a religious court to arbitrate family law matters. No more Jewish law, no Muslim law; everything would go through the Ontario courts, under secular law. And since then, every family law matter in Ontario has been adjucated through the proper provincial court.
I have no doubt that this would happen in every state in the Union, if it was put to the same test as Ontario. The US Constitution, and the states themselves, would prevent any form of Sharia from happening, just as Ontario did.
That is interesting. Canadians are so practical. We could learn from you.
Probably unlikely. But if it does happen I think it would be ironic that the people responsible for this movement at the root level would be the same people who would be regretting that they did anything to help. Of course they wouldn't be alive during this time.
If you think about a lot of people who voted for the current politicians that are Muslim they are liberals. They probably are people who want religion out of government but they vote Democrat because they can't stand the current administration and the conservative ideology. A lot that comes from Christianity. I.e against abortion, gay rights etc.
So I'd find it ironic that so many of these liberals did everything they could do get Christianity out of politics only to see Muslims start putting their Koran into laws.
Imagine the LGBT voting against Conservatives and putting in Liberals that follow Islam. Only to see these Muslims politicians suddenly make it a law against gay marriage or any kind of gay rights.
Right now I don't think it will ever gain a foothold. Maybe in 25 years or so. Without being alarmist Islam is by the nature of the doctrine designed to be interwoven in all aspects of society. There isn't a separation of church and state. Sam Harris give examples repeatedly of studies done over the years that show that the larger and greater the Islamic population grows in a country and as they gain power the more rights and increasingly problems it creates for non-Muslims. Rights are taken away and other issues arise.
I'm not a fan of the big three, but overall Islam scares me the most, it is not a religion of peace and yeah, I know, Christianity has it's past too. The Islamic faith needs a transformation like the way the Christians/Christianity did way back when.
with people of islamic faith running for and winning state and loca elections across the us, could we ever see anyone with a hidden agenda to try and introduce sharia law to the united states? I'm sure i could find this out through hours of researching, but i'm wondering if any more knowledgeable members of cd know for sure what the skinny is on this subject. It concerns me, especially with the case of those michigan doctors practicing female mutilation for years, ten years wasn't it? Whatever happened to them anyway. That case was abhorrent.
Probably the only aspect of Sharia adopted would be an acceptance of polygamy at some point. But then the Sharia fundamentalist would be upset in that the definition would include multiple men in the family marriage bonds.
It sounds like most of you don't even know what sharia law is. We already have Catholic, Jewish and other religious tribunals that resolve marital and other conflicts. That's basically what sharia law is. It's a way of resolving conflict for those of that religion, a sort of mediation. We have freedom of religion and Muslims are entitled to resolve conflicts through religious means as long as they do not conflict with our secular laws. Can you imagine telling a Catholic that it is wrong for him to have his marriage annulled through his church? You'd be screaming about freedom of religion.
If a community of predominantly Muslims were to enact a limited form of Sharia law amongst themselves..how would anyone know about it.
If all the parties are in agreement to comply with the edicts handed down by some Imam of one of the almost 4000 mosques existing in the U.S.; who would know. It would take someone willing to step outside the religious tenets and stranglehold of the religion to openly challenge such an adjudication made that penalizes them in some way to bring it all to light.
The facts are that in some cases of Islam practitioners, in tight knit communities of Muslims where the younger or zealous adherents are subjected to an edict from a Sharia court, you might never know that it has been going on for decades.
Ill further qualify my answer to add: we're going to have to suffer through the impending socialism first, but its entirely possible a theocracy will rise from its rubble.
Probably unlikely. But if it does happen I think it would be ironic that the people responsible for this movement at the root level would be the same people who would be regretting that they did anything to help. Of course they wouldn't be alive during this time.
If you think about a lot of people who voted for the current politicians that are Muslim they are liberals. They probably are people who want religion out of government but they vote Democrat because they can't stand the current administration and the conservative ideology. A lot that comes from Christianity. I.e against abortion, gay rights etc.
So I'd find it ironic that so many of these liberals did everything they could do get Christianity out of politics only to see Muslims start putting their Koran into laws.
Imagine the LGBT voting against Conservatives and putting in Liberals that follow Islam. Only to see these Muslims politicians suddenly make it a law against gay marriage or any kind of gay rights.
Nothing quite so entertaining as fictional irony.
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). But I do not support Sharia. It goes against my country's values, morals, and constitution.
