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Old 01-19-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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Shingles? Really? In comparison to surgically opening up a woman's abdomen and uterus to safely extract a baby? You must have a very low pain threshold.
Again, you refuse to actually comment on what I said. I should have known better.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:38 AM
 
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The Controlled Substance does recognize several special groups. The terminally ill is one of them.
Ah, Freedom! When we are truly dying we still can't choose when and where but they will "allow" us a bit more pain relief.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Shingles? Really? In comparison to surgically opening up a woman's abdomen and uterus to safely extract a baby? You must have a very low pain threshold.
Have you had shingles? It can be extremely painful, causing blisters that scab, ooze and crust on large sections of the body. And it lasts 2-4 weeks, so the pain is longstanding. Just because it is a different condition from delivery of a baby doesn't mean painkillers are not warranted.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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Have any of you been prescribed such legal pharma products? I have, having to have had 2 c-sections to deliver 9 pound frank breech babies who sure as hell were not going to be born the usual way (vaginal delivery). The barbiturates made me nauseous. I wouldn't take them any more than what was absolutely necessary. How the hell does anyone get addicted to that chit?
Barbiturates are not opiates.

I have been taking light opiates for over 15 years.....did physical labor all my life (heavy duty rigging, construction, etc). At 38 years old the doctor said I should be careful of how I get in and out of cars.

Now I am 65 and I walk miles, bike, climb up on my roof and coat it, trim trees, play tennis, do construction around the house and much more.....with very little pain and virtually no side effects.

And I don't even think about how I get in and out of cars.

So, I guess..I report and you decide.

I always think the problem is that Americans think that when you have a good thing, then MORE of the good thing is always better. It's not. It's better to take a low dose opiate AND a stiff cup of coffee and maybe even some tylenol or aspirin during the day than to up the dose too much. Upping the dose, for moderate pain patients, has diminishing returns.

I'm a legal MM patient and also in a rec state. The strongest drug I have in my house is the THC tincture they sell me for $35 for 100 doses or so. Unfortunately, it will sit there since it doesn't do much for pain. I wish it did......

I predict that Emergency rooms are going to see vast numbers of pot "overdoses" in the near future. I know of some already. The big companies running the dispensaries tell these old folks to take "X" amount and when they do they think they are gonna die (get dizzy and disorientated) and call 911.

Not something to mess with.

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Old 01-19-2019, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This is not news. This is how pharmaceutical companies have proceeded for years and years--back when nobody cared. Pharmaceutical companies would give their sales people huge expense accounts to wine and dine physicians at very upscale restaurants. The sales conferences would be at Vegas 5-star resorts with spouses.

This is just a different drug, and it is not the first addictive class of drugs to be pushed. They've done this with all of their drugs. It tapered off in 2006 when the recession approached only because there were budget cuts. As recently as 2017, the head of Health and Human Services was sitting on all kinds of pharmaceutical corporation donations. Get rid of the corruption in Washington--because it has only become worse. We need government controls on pharmaceuticals, and their lobbyists should not be allowed in DC.

When medicine stops being a for-profit business in the US, maybe things will change.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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It was 'safer' for addicts to abuse pills from a pharmacy versus street heroin or other drugs.
With the exception of prescriptions from approved providers, a prescription for the purpose of maintaining an addict is illegal. That provision has been law for a century. That is why they had to pass another law for Suboxone and methadone treatment. DEA is trying to get more Suboxone prescribers. It isn't that hard to get approved. They have to take an 8 hour course and for the first year, they are limited to 30 patients and afterwards, it is increased to 100..

Anyway, it is Purdue pharma not Perdue. It's named after the university.

The Controlled Substance Act is notoriously vague. It says per professional judgement alot.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Have you had shingles? It can be extremely painful, causing blisters that scab, ooze and crust on large sections of the body. And it lasts 2-4 weeks, so the pain is longstanding. Just because it is a different condition from delivery of a baby doesn't mean painkillers are not warranted.
Also, for some the pain never stops, even after the rash heals.

Postherpetic neuralgia is a leading cause of suicide in the elderly.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:37 PM
 
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This is not news. This is how pharmaceutical companies have proceeded for years and years--back when nobody cared. Pharmaceutical companies would give their sales people huge expense accounts to wine and dine physicians at very upscale restaurants. The sales conferences would be at Vegas 5-star resorts with spouses.

This is just a different drug, and it is not the first addictive class of drugs to be pushed. They've done this with all of their drugs. It tapered off in 2006 when the recession approached only because there were budget cuts. As recently as 2017, the head of Health and Human Services was sitting on all kinds of pharmaceutical corporation donations. Get rid of the corruption in Washington--because it has only become worse. We need government controls on pharmaceuticals, and their lobbyists should not be allowed in DC.

When medicine stops being a for-profit business in the US, maybe things will change.
If the pharma companies are so powerful and influential in DC, why did they 'allow' the DEA to crack down on prescription opioids, pill mills, doctors who give out too much, etc?



The MORE opioid prescriptions written, the MORE money they make, putting tough restrictions on them just means much less are going to be sold, thats kind of counterproductive for the companies, No?


The tobacco companies did the EXACT same thing as the pharma guys did...they lied to everyone, telling them cigarettes were not addictive, even some that tried to say they were good for you!! and yet anyone 18 and over can go to any store and buy as many cigarettes as they like, NO restrictions at all...? Cigarettes kill about 500,000 people per year, compared to overdose deaths from opioids at around 20,000....where is the priority if you are concerned about public health and safety?
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:41 PM
 
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If the pharma companies are so powerful and influential in DC, why did they 'allow' the DEA to crack down on prescription opioids, pill mills, doctors who give out too much, etc?
It wasn't DC taking actions. It was state A.G.'s taking actions.
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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This is exactly the kind of think that happens over and over with Big Pharma.

So the real question is: When is someone going to be held accountable? When will people go to jail? When will companies be dismantled?
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