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Old 02-01-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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I have no issue with pork-barrel spending in states like Texas, Nebraska, Kansas, North Dakota.

I like the culture and quality of life in middle-America so what ever the senators can do to prop up the agriculture industry is good with me.

If farmers don't produce enough soy, wheat, corn that leads to inflationary pressure and cause ripple-effects through the economy.

I admit that California agriculture overall is more nutrient dense as opposed to middle-America but Republicans are politically not going to win 54 electoral votes there if they subsidize the crops more.

It is what is what is. There is alot more for Republicans to gain to subsidies to less populated middle-America and Texas than subsidies to California.
This is a joke right? Subsidize farmers based on perceived politics?
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Old 02-01-2019, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Brew City
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This is a joke right? Subsidize farmers based on perceived politics?
It's not the first time lovecrowds has espoused such views.

And let's be honest. He's not the only one. Or even in the minority.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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This is a joke right? Subsidize farmers based on perceived politics?
Why isn't Ford getting a handout for the billion they are losing with the trump trade war?
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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This is a joke right? Subsidize farmers based on perceived politics?
Nope, There is much more to be gained by pork-barrel spending on the Republican plains than pork-barrel spending in a Democratic state.

I have no issue at all with Republican senators doing what ever it takes to get pork-barrel spending in bills that benefit their states.

Most of those 10 states, I see on the list are amazing conservative states that I wouldn't mind living in.

Each state has two senators and if lots of pork-barrel spending goes into bills from Republican senators looking for votes, I am all for it.

Pork-barrel spending in general benefits smaller and more conservatives than Democratic states.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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Its not welfare when I get the benefits!
Bingo.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:19 PM
 
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Want to eat?
As long as someone votes the way you want them to, you’re the biggest welfare advocate on the planet.

I’m pro-farm welfare and have always been. It’s a cheap food policy and no one in their right mind should be against it.

But IT IS WELFARE.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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We always hear about how bad government handouts are from conservatives. But when you look at farm subsidies, which are simply government handouts to guarantee a rate of return for farming businesses, they have no problem with taking it in. Besides taking in government handouts going against their anti-govt stance, the handouts also undercut their favored economic system, capitalism, by providing guaranteed rates of return and eliminating the need to compete in a free market.

In 2017, the 10 states receiving the most farm subsidies were:

1. Texas
2. Nebraska
3. Kansas
4. Arkansas
5. Illinois
6. North Dakota
7. Indiana
8. Ohio
9. Georgia
10. South Dakota

https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?...heUnitedStates

Almost all conservative states, except Illinois.

The state producing the most overall food in America? California, producing more than half of all fruits, vegetables, and nuts, while also being top producer of milk and the #4 producer of beef.

Conservatives are all too happy to bash any form of government handout, and are regularly talking about or putting together bills to cut government handouts. But when it comes to farm subsidies, they always want to kick the can down the road because they know taking government handouts away from red states would create major backlash and threaten their stronghold in the heartland.

Whats worse is that the majority of crops produced in the heartland are government subsidized and genetically modified corn, soybeans and wheat. A lot of what is produced taste horrible because it isn't grown to be eaten directly, but to be processed into ingredients for junk food (you can think of high fructose corn syrup as welfare sugar), ethanol, and non-food products. We also provide 40% of the world's corn supply, using taxpayer dollars to produce exports to other countries.

When you purchase food made cheaper by subsidy crops, you are essentially participating in a government welfare program, choosing cheaper foods due to government handouts over more expensive products produced in a free market manner. That includes eating beef fattened up by cheap corn and sweetened products that use high fructose corn syrup.

The next time you hear someone saying that the heartland feeds the nation, remember they rake in the most government subsidies and still don't produce anywhere near as much food as California.
Great post--says it all.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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I'm pretty certain no democrats have ever voted for farm subsidies.....right?
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:23 PM
 
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I'm happy to provide tax money to farmers growing food for people. Not a waste at all, IMO. They earn it.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm pretty certain no democrats have ever voted for farm subsidies.....right?
At this point what difference does it make? It is abused. There are congress members who are receiving farm subsidies.

And what about that $12 billion in supplemental income to farmers last year? Which Dems voted for that?

Oh right---none, because Donny took unilateral action giving OUR money away due to HIS harmful policies. Donny has always loved giving away other people's money, as long as he doesn't have to spend any of his own.
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