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View Poll Results: Do you support the Democrats' new abortion position?
Yes, choosing whether a baby lives or dies after birth is a decision between a woman and her doctor. 15 11.45%
No, this is premeditated murder. 108 82.44%
Not sure/don't know/undecided/other 8 6.11%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-06-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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Give the parents a year to decide. If it's not working out, have it put down
Don't know what the word non-viable means, huh?
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Old 02-06-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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Don't know what the word non-viable means, huh?
I truly believe they do not and they are not even astute or self-aware enough to be embarrassed by that.
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Old 02-06-2019, 03:40 PM
 
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Just wondering how people feel about the Democrats' new abortion position. That position was articulated by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, when he stated that one option would be to deliver the baby, make him or her comfortable, and then have a discussion with the mother about whether the baby should live or die.

Personally, I strongly disagree. What do you think?
It's not a "new position" .... it's just an old position they prefer to not talk about.
We know this when absolutely none of them even acknowledged Kermit Gosnell's House of Horror in 2011. In 2011, Gosnell and various co-defendant employees were charged with eight counts of murder, 24 felony counts of performing illegal abortions beyond the state of Pennsylvania's 24-week time limit, and 227 misdemeanor counts of violating the 24-hour informed consent law.

This is a new push to make the Kermit Goznell Murders now legal ..... and they are proud of it.

In May 2013, Gosnell was convicted of first degree murder in the deaths of three of the infants and involuntary manslaughter in the death of Karnamaya Mongar. Gosnell was also convicted of 21 felony counts of illegal late-term abortion, and 211 counts of violating the 24-hour informed consent law. After his conviction, Gosnell waived his right to appeal in exchange for an agreement by prosecutors not to seek the death penalty. He was sentenced instead to life in prison without the possibility of parole.Kermit Gosnell

Why I Didn't Write About Gosnell's Trial--And Why I Should Have |Daily Beast - April 2013

The answer to that question was basically -- we didn't want to know about it and were afraid that the horror of Gosnell would impact abortion providers. The Leftists found an easy answer to the horror of Gosnell ..... make it legal and inshrined in US Law

Senator Patty Murray of Oregon (D) put a stop to a Senate bill that would have made it crystal clear that 3rd and 4th Trimester Abortions are illegal and would be considered Murder ..... which they are.
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Old 02-06-2019, 03:53 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Senator Patty Murray of Oregon (D) put a stop to a Senate bill that would have made it crystal clear that 3rd and 4th Trimester Abortions are illegal and would be considered Murder ..... which they are.
There's no such thing as a "4th Trimester Abortion."
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Old 02-06-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Just wondering how people feel about the Democrats' new abortion position. That position was articulated by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, when he stated that one option would be to deliver the baby, make him or her comfortable, and then have a discussion with the mother about whether the baby should live or die.

Personally, I strongly disagree. What do you think?
So you strongly agree that if the baby as a terminal medical that will not permit it to live more than a few days, maybe more, should be forced to suffer agony until it finally dies on its own?
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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It's not a "new position" .... it's just an old position they prefer to not talk about.
We know this when absolutely none of them even acknowledged Kermit Gosnell's House of Horror in 2011. In 2011, Gosnell and various co-defendant employees were charged with eight counts of murder, 24 felony counts of performing illegal abortions beyond the state of Pennsylvania's 24-week time limit, and 227 misdemeanor counts of violating the 24-hour informed consent law.

This is a new push to make the Kermit Goznell Murders now legal ..... and they are proud of it.

In May 2013, Gosnell was convicted of first degree murder in the deaths of three of the infants and involuntary manslaughter in the death of Karnamaya Mongar. Gosnell was also convicted of 21 felony counts of illegal late-term abortion, and 211 counts of violating the 24-hour informed consent law. After his conviction, Gosnell waived his right to appeal in exchange for an agreement by prosecutors not to seek the death penalty. He was sentenced instead to life in prison without the possibility of parole.Kermit Gosnell

Why I Didn't Write About Gosnell's Trial--And Why I Should Have |Daily Beast - April 2013

The answer to that question was basically -- we didn't want to know about it and were afraid that the horror of Gosnell would impact abortion providers. The Leftists found an easy answer to the horror of Gosnell ..... make it legal and inshrined in US Law

Senator Patty Murray of Oregon (D) put a stop to a Senate bill that would have made it crystal clear that 3rd and 4th Trimester Abortions are illegal and would be considered Murder ..... which they are.
This bill would not make Gosnells crimes legal. The law allows abortions after 24 weeks only in the case of non viability, or risk of maternal death, or risk to maternal health. It also allows parents to make the decision to not put a non viable newborn on life support.

No woman would be allowed to pop in at 30 weeks and say she changed her mind and get a legal abortion.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Well, Trump changes his mind a lot as well as lie. People, such as evangelicals, who want abortion banned, had best admit that what he does is very true and not trust him.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:16 PM
 
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No woman would be allowed to pop in at 30 weeks and say she changed her mind and get a legal abortion.
Why not?
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Why not?
Because the law would only allow for abortions after 24 weeks in the case of fetal non viability, or risk of death or health of the mother.


READ THE BILL.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:21 PM
 
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Because the law would only allow for abortions after 24 weeks in the case of fetal non viability, of death or health of the mother.


READ THE BILL.
I don't care about the bill, it sounded like you were making a principled argument. So I'm asking why shouldn't a woman be allowed to abort even at 30 weeks? It's still her body, it still should be her choice.
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