Confederate Flag/Why Many Don't View It As Southern Heritage

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest

That really is the crux of the matter right there. "They didn't think they were doing anything wrong." That bit requires mastery of the "doublethink" technique. They weren't fooling anyone back then & they're certainly not fooling anyone in the present day. They need to let go of the obsession of turning the Confederate cause into something honorable. Their 'way of life' was dishonorable. It was indefensible back then & it's certainly indefensible today.

If they had 'let go' back then, we wouldn't have to set the historical record straight today.

One difference between back then and now is this. When secession was taking place, Confederate supporters were not interested in fooling anyone. It was plain as day what they were about, and they had no shame. Of course they didn't think there was anything wrong with enslaving people. It was a way of life they were trying to protact. When you don't think you're doing anything wrong, you'll resist anyone whom you think will threaten your way of life. Before the war, there was no trying to fool anyone.

After the war, the South found what it was trying to defend gone forever. Rather than admit to being wrong, now the "let's try and fool people" technique came about. The Lost Cause myth was a way to lie to one's self, and at the same time, an attempt at re-asserting what was left of that way of life, which including putting Black people at the bottom. Lying about slavery, lying about the Confederacy's role in starting the Civil War, it was all about saying "we weren't wrong".

It was an ugly way of life back then, and it's ugly now. The difference is now, more people will call it out for what it is. More people are saying "we don't buy your cow feces for a moment. We have the original documents right here".

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest

Re: bold: People back then had no shame in admitting it & people today are proud to call this their heritage. It's as unhealthy as it is nonsensical.

One of the only ways I can somewhat understand is to consider it to be Orwellian on many levels, including, as mentioned previously, this 'newspeak' word from 1984:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

It's also why I let it go with some diehards as I see you do also.

Today, some people try to save face. Some people are proud to call it part of their heritage. However, they have to back it up. I'd have more respect for someone if they just admitted that they supported a slave owning cause instead of trying to save face.

It's not healthy or sensible, but when all one cares about is telling someone "stuff it where the sun don't shine", nonsensical ways make sense to said person.

Doublethink it basically a way of making sense of something that will never make sense. A good example is The Exorcism. I'm not much of a horror movie person and I've never watched it. However, I know someone who has and this quote was brought up.

Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the demon. We may ask what is relevant but anything beyond that is dangerous. He is a liar. The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, Damien, and powerful. So don't listen to him. Remember that - do not listen.

Doublethink can be compared to that quote from the Exorcist. The best way to perpetuate a lie is a to mix it with some truth. Mixing lies with the truth stirs up confusion. Doublethink is what comes out of it. The person exposed to such contradictory statements ends up in a position where doublethink can take place.

Some persons are not worth listening to. Some persons will mix the truth with lies. Other persons will just attack you when you refuse to accept their lies. That demon spirit spoken of in The Exorcist is like taking poison and putting it in someone's food, and you know it's been tainted. However, said person makes up all kinds of excuses like "this stuff is put in other products and it doesn't kill".

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This video will include dispelling a myth about Robert E. Lee.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAlWqi-VQsc