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Originally Posted by Supposn
Due to annual trade deficits, their individual nations' GDPs, numbers of jobs, and aggregate payrolls were less than otherwise.
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No, not ever in the history of commerce.
In spite of years of repeated drivel, you have yet to identify any country in the modern era or historically to support your ridiculous false claims.
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Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks
As I noted in a prior post, the U.S. ran trade surpluses during the Great Depression with very high unemployment.
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Excellent point.
That pretty much slams the door on his head.
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Originally Posted by Supposn
Mircea, OK. Now the ball's in your court.
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You're the one claiming credible economists support your nonsense, so name one or be done.
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Originally Posted by Supposn
Mircea, I never stated that an additional dollar of the nation's imports generates an additional dollar of their GDP.
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Yes, you have, and you inability to wrap your brain around the fact that $1 of Imports generates far more $ in GDP is the reason you keep spewing your nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Supposn
The imports do not generate a single penny to the importing nation's
GDP.
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Originally Posted by Supposn
As imported products are being produced and/or processed by foreign entities, or being shipped to the USA on foreign carriers, they contribute nothing to USA's GDP
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You just lied to everybody.
Yes, they do, and the NBER repeatedly provides proof it does.
Which part of this...
GDP = C + I + G + (X-M)
...do you not understand?
There is no relationship between Employment/Unemployment and GDP.
There is no Law, Theory or Corollary of Economics that states, suggest or implies that there is a relationship between Employment/Unemployment and GDP.
If we believe your nonsense, and actually implement your stupidity, large numbers of Americans may remain unemployed.
Does the US grow rattan?
No, it doesn't. It isn't possible to grow rattan anywhere in the US.
Rattan only grows in certain areas in the South Pacific.
As I proved in a post on a different thread where you spew your nonsense:
The US imported $528 Million in rattan in 2014, and generated $4.35 Billion in sales.
I just debunked this claim here:
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Originally Posted by Supposn
The imports do not generate a single penny to the importing nation's GDP.
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You either intentionally lied, or you're totally clueless.
The importation of rattan does two things: creates lots of jobs, and enhances the Standard of Living for Americans, because now they have choice regarding kitchen, dining and living room furniture, as well as out-door furniture. Rattan is a superior product for out-door furniture, due to its longevity in a variety of climates.
So:
$4,350,000,000 in rattan sales
- $528,000,000 cost of rattan imports
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$3,822,000,000 net gain in GDP
That $3.82 Billion net gain in GDP doesn't include other GDP created or the jobs created.
That's GDP and jobs generated by merchant marines transporting rattan, longshoremen off-loading rattan, bailsmen...
...oh, I'm sorry, and I talking over your head? 'Cause you have no idea what a bailsman is. It's an intermediary who holds goods in transit...
...jobs for truck drivers, jobs for warehouse workers, jobs for the factory that produces rattan furniture, including manufacturing laborers, accountants, clerical workers, supervisors, management, marketing, finance and advertising, including jobs for actors in the commercials, more truck driving jobs, wholesale jobs, more truck driving jobs, and jobs for retailers.
Instead of having high GDP and high unemployment, you can have higher GDP and lower unemployment by importing goods.
Coffee and tea will only grow in Hawaii or California.
But, you can only grow coffee or tea plants at the expense of citrus fruits in Hawaii, and at the expense of wine in California.
In other words, in the hope of satiating the American demand for coffee or tea, you'd have to plow under all the vineyards in California and replant them with coffee and tea plants.
There are vineyards across the US, but California is by and large the largest producer of domestic wines, and you would deprive Americans of that pleasure, because of your nonsense.
Contrary to your false claims, the importation of coffee and tea increases the GDP and creates jobs.
You fail to understand that Domestic GDP is capped largely by population, but also by available resources other than labor.
You cannot produce what you don't have, thus the need for imports.
Imports create jobs and increase GDP. Always and forever. There is no modern or historical case where it has not.
You also import those things that are too costly to produce domestically, and by doing so, you increase GDP, jobs and Standard of Living, because now consumers can afford to buy those products.
You also import those things that are unnecessary to produce.
As a mini-Hitler-like-dictator, you would force people to work jobs beneath their dignity at lower wages.
There's only so much labor available.
You can't increase the production of high tech electronics if you're making plastic kitchen gadgets.
Importing plastic kitchen gadgets frees up labor to produce high tech electronics and the workers get higher wages.
Why wouldn't you want people to get higher wages?
Your differently twisted world is truly perverse.