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Old 02-19-2019, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The whole thought is kind of silly. Very unlikely that illegals will purchase fire arms often enough to be worth the trouble. A couple of percent of those turned down? If that?

The amendments real purpose is to make the bill so unpalatable that it would not pass. The notification of the attempted purchase by citizens would likely kill the bill.

The ICE stuff is simply a red herring.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:02 PM
 
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And no NRA advocates here have explained why they would be okay with that amendment but deny so many other restrictions?

It's confusing to me.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:02 PM
 
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Bills often include a number of unrelated items, anyone know if what's mentioned in the cited article includes the entirety of the bill?

The bill is short and only covers background checks, the amendment is even shorter and only covers background checks.


Bill: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr8/text




Amendment: https://steube.house.gov/sites/steub...0Amendment.pdf
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:06 PM
 
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The whole thought is kind of silly. Very unlikely that illegals will purchase fire arms often enough to be worth the trouble. A couple of percent of those turned down? If that?

The amendments real purpose is to make the bill so unpalatable that it would not pass. The notification of the attempted purchase by citizens would likely kill the bill.

The ICE stuff is simply a red herring.

This covers anyone rejected and according to the one article the amendment was based on Democrat bill from last year.... I would assume the illegal immigration part was not included in their version.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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The bill is short and only covers background checks, the amendment is even shorter and only covers background checks.


Bill: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr8/text




Amendment: https://steube.house.gov/sites/steub...0Amendment.pdf
Yes but it was one of many


A little play by play of the 10 hour session -- and there were two bills.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congre...und-check-bill
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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So they want to restrict and/or hinder citizens from purchasing guns, but not control illegal aliens when they try to purchase guns. Totally messed up priorities...
That's because the end justifies the means. As more criminal illegal invaders obtain firearms and commit crimes with them the Democrats will demand that we need even more gun control laws.

Democrats are not interested in preventing crime, they are only interested in furthering their agenda of abolishing the 2nd Amendment and complete civilian disarmament. Or at the very least rendering it as worthless as the piece of paper that it is written on.

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There is no such thing as "gun control," there is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political class and the forces they control which, as recent history has proven is a murderous nightmare for the peace loving, disenfranchised, and disarmed citizenry.--Ron Danielowski
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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And no NRA advocates here have explained why they would be okay with that amendment but deny so many other restrictions?

It's confusing to me.

What should be confusing to you is why the party who has been harping about keeping guns out the hands of people that should not have them would reject an amendment that would alert law enforcement to someone like that trying to purchase one.



Not sure if it's just the inclusion of illegal immigrants by itself but they ARE rejecting this for political purposes.

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Old 02-19-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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That's because the end justifies the means. As more criminal illegal invaders obtain firearms and commit crimes with them the Democrats will demand that we need even more gun control laws.

Democrats are not interested in preventing crime, they are only interested in furthering their agenda of abolishing the 2nd Amendment and complete civilian disarmament. Or at the very least rendering it as worthless as the piece of paper that it is written on.
This is not true. You have to know the whole story.

The Republicans didn't want the bill. They were purposely trying to gut it....and create some kind of issue to further stall it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...d3c_story.html
In a video posted on the National Rifle Association’s Twitter account, Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), a member of the Judiciary Committee present at the hearing, called the bill a “fraud” that “simply wants to get at your constitutional rights.”

The amendments presented had nothing to do with protecting Americans or providing more security for its residents.

Let's be clear on that.




And quite honestly, if you believe the illegal residents who are criminals are going to present themselves at a gun store for a background check -- you have drank too much of the kool-aid.

I've mentioned this many times...but brief encounter with those that might not have legal status have always been through school or church. Most of them won't even bother with banks because they don't want to leave a paper trail. They pay with cash, refuse to take any charity offerings, etc. anything that might be used to track who they are, where they are and that they aren't suppose to be here. I know it isn't everybody -- and the folks I saw that were so paranoid were not the criminal types necessarily.

But you have to admit -- any illegal resident who wants a gun is not going to put his name into a system for the FBI to check -- they just wouldn't.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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Why do the politicians play these stupid games --- look at the responses in this thread.

You voters play along with them.

The swamp will always be the swamp if folks defend ridiculous behaviors just so that their side can claim some kind of fake moral higher ground.

It's ridiculous.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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And quite honestly, if you believe the illegal residents who are criminals are going to present themselves at a gun store for a background check -- you have drank too much of the kool-aid.

The amendment covers anyone that is rejected.


As far as the bill goes itself I see no mention of what it cost, minimally there would need to be language in this bill that any costs will be no more than expenses, should not have to be more than a few dollars. The other issue I see is someone has given me long term loan of a gun, it would be illegal under this bill.
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