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As far as the bill goes itself I see no mention of what it cost, minimally there would need to be language in this bill that any costs will be no more than expenses, should not have to be more than a few dollars. The other issue I see is someone has given me long term loan of a gun, it would be illegal under this bill.
Yes I know but the implication is that the Dems just don't want the illegals to be reported......I read the headline of the thread.
And it still seems that the amendments were meant to derail the whole thing - -not really be effective at all.
So they want to restrict and/or hinder citizens from purchasing guns, but not control illegal aliens when they try to purchase guns. Totally messed up priorities...
It's part of the Liberal agenda.
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One of the main arguments against overreaching gun control is that it would not stop the criminals from obtaining guns.
It absolutely will not.
Criminals obtain guns by stealing them, or purchasing guns that have been smuggled into the US.
Guns are smuggled across the Mexican border, and brought by small watercraft along the coasts that are usually smuggling drugs as well.
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Valid question. There is a mix of socioeconomic factors and racism, but when the factors are one or both is a thread on its own.
There's no racism involved.
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And a great job of obfuscation it's been.
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The amendments presented had nothing to do with protecting Americans or providing more security for its residents.
There's no obfuscation and the amendment provides security for Americans.
Illegal aliens should not be allowed to purchase weapons, and if they attempt to do so, they should be reported to ICE.
If anyone isn't on board with that, it's because they have an agenda which is not in the best interest of Americans.
The fish and wildlife guys I talk to said they ask for ID when checking hunting licenses and if they don't match AND they suspect it is an illegal they confiscate the firearm..
They say people still sell them hunting licenses but they aren't allowed to carry a gun. So, they are getting the guns somehow. Probably borrowed from a family member.
This is not true. You have to know the whole story.
The Republicans didn't want the bill. They were purposely trying to gut it....and create some kind of issue to further stall it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...d3c_story.html In a video posted on the National Rifle Association’s Twitter account, Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), a member of the Judiciary Committee present at the hearing, called the bill a “fraud” that “simply wants to get at your constitutional rights.”
The amendments presented had nothing to do with protecting Americans or providing more security for its residents.
Let's be clear on that.
And quite honestly, if you believe the illegal residents who are criminals are going to present themselves at a gun store for a background check -- you have drank too much of the kool-aid.
I've mentioned this many times...but brief encounter with those that might not have legal status have always been through school or church. Most of them won't even bother with banks because they don't want to leave a paper trail. They pay with cash, refuse to take any charity offerings, etc. anything that might be used to track who they are, where they are and that they aren't suppose to be here. I know it isn't everybody -- and the folks I saw that were so paranoid were not the criminal types necessarily.
But you have to admit -- any illegal resident who wants a gun is not going to put his name into a system for the FBI to check -- they just wouldn't.
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"any illegal resident who wants a gun is not going to put his name into a system for the FBI to check."
Of course my post is true and you know it.
Well no kidding? -- I never claimed they would, so what's your point?
If you think that criminals who are American citizens present themselves at a gun store for a background check -- Perhaps it's you who's been drinking too much of the Kool-aid?
Just as with controlled substances criminals can get access to whatever the hell they want. Laws be damned, that's why they're criminals in the first place. That includes the illegal invaders, particularly those who are involved with drug trafficking. If you think that those particular illegal invaders don't have access to guns, drugs, or anything else that's been declared as contraband, I've got some beachfront properties for sale in the middle of the Sonoran Desert? Care to make me an offer?
I think it's gotten to the point though with the illegal invaders that they now have political clout within the United States as more and more cities have provided sanctuary for them. Some have even allowed them to get drivers licenses. This way they can go about their daily business as if they were here legally without fear of legal repercussion and deportation.
But you've missed the entire point I was trying to make which has nothing to do with that particular bill. And that is that Democrats will use crimes committed with a firearm to further their agenda of abolishing the 2nd Amendment, at the very least affectively neutering it. Let's be clear on that. Every time there is a shooting they capitalize on that crap to no end. Like I've stated: "THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS".
If you keep on importing tens of millions of illegal invaders from 3rd world nations it stands to reason that you're gonna' have thousands of criminals that we have no way of knowing their criminal history in with that bunch. The more criminals from 3rd world nations we let in the more crime we will have. It really IS that simple. This doesn't even take into consideration that the first thing that every illegal invader did was commit a crime by first setting foot on American soil. They've given the proverbial finger to our immigration laws and sovereignty. What makes you think that they'd respect our laws once they've integrated themselves into our society?
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Criminals obtain guns by stealing them, or purchasing guns that have been smuggled into the US.
Guns are smuggled across the Mexican border, and brought by small watercraft along the coasts that are usually smuggling drugs as well.
There's no racism involved.
There's no obfuscation and the amendment provides security for Americans.
Illegal aliens should not be allowed to purchase weapons, and if they attempt to do so, they should be reported to ICE.
If anyone isn't on board with that, it's because they have an agenda which is not in the best interest of Americans.
The flow of guns is from the US to Mexico. We basically provide both the Government and the Cartels with their armament. Don't take my word for it. Find a believable source that significant firearms are flowing in from Mexico.
The issue is that all who are turned down are turned in to the authorities. You in favor of that? It is actually an intended poison pill to make sure the law does not pass.
And Mr Steube's proposed amendment did not mention ICE.
Is Mr Steube's proposal supposed to raise red flags about an individual? I can see that that would be the result, but what exactly is law enforcement supposed to do? Do some states have laws that would allow prosecution of someone for trying to buy a firearm? I am sincerely asking.
It's illegal for a felon or any other "prohibited person" (this includes illegal aliens) to possess, transport, ship, or receive a firearm or ammunition under federal law and is punishable by up to 10 years in prison. When buying a firearm, a person has to fill out ATF form 4473, answering questions regarding criminal history, illegal drug use, mental health, and several regarding citizenship, then the background check is performed by the FBI's NICS system. Data on those who fail the check is sent daily to ATF's Denial Enforcement and NICS Intelligence Branch and after initial screening are sent to the appropriate ATF field office for further investigation. If certain criteria are met, the case is forwarded for prosecution.
Lying on form 4473 is a federal felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Straw purchases are also a felony, punishable by up to 5 years in prison, and opens up the possibility of several other felony charges for those involved.
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Valid question. There is a mix of socioeconomic factors and racism, but when the factors are one or both is a thread on its own.
There are no socioeconomic factors or racism involved in NICS check denials. Stop race baiting.
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