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And maybe our military will be made up of unpaid volunteers with weapons and equipment paid for with flowers and all our roads paved with good intentions. After all, people should have the freedom to live in whatever fantasy world they choose...
As clearly some Americans already do!
The government should levy a sales or VAT tax. So everybody pays into the system even the leeches.
There are no doubt many pros that go with charitable foundations. I worked as a volunteer for the Food Bank for a few years...
There are also a good many cons or shortfalls in terms of what charitable organizations can do where needed. Would be great if the Food Bank could replace the SNAP program, for example, but it just can't, not by a long shot, for more reasons than I have time to explain here.
Since you seem interested and able to dig into this sort of information by yourself. You really should, with an open objective perspective or you will miss the important facts of these matters...
Why can't it replace SNAP program?
It would be helpful to the discussion if you just list out the "important facts".
It would be helpful to the discussion if you just list out the "important facts".
Charitable foundations can replace ALL Fed Gov social welfare programs. Let society vote with their wallets. Let's see what society actually values, instead of what they're forced to value via threat of asset confiscation and/or imprisonment.
I think because the possibility of tearing up our existing tax code and starting fresh is about as likely as everyone agreeing about what to do in this forum. Hell, we can't even agree on what Trump seems to think is best when sure seems to me that Trump is making matters worse!
As tax refunds shrink, Republicans scramble to defend Trump tax cut
Anybody using tax refund as a yard stick to measure how well the tax cut works is either a moron, a dishonest person or both!
In my opinion, that person should not be allowed to vote.
You don't need tax cut to receive refunds. Just pay more taxes than you are legally obligated before you file your return, you will get a bigger refund.
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Charitable foundations can replace ALL Fed Gov social welfare programs. Let society vote with their wallets. Let's see what society actually values, instead of what they're forced to value via threat of asset confiscation and/or imprisonment.
People value the wrong things. We'd still be driving on dirt and cobblestone roads with your scenario because people wouldn't value spending a $#!+ ton of money to fund the high quality paved roads we have now; and that's just one example......
People value the wrong things. We'd still be driving on dirt and cobblestone roads with your scenario because people wouldn't value spending a $#!+ ton of money to fund the high quality paved roads we have now; and that's just one example......
I can't stand your condescension.
Who the hell are you to tell us what we value is right or wrong?
Only government can build roads? Roads have long existed before the government!
No need. US welfare programs are federally funded. So that's the valid comparison: effective federal/national income tax rate.
Either American average income households ($59,000) want to pay a 45% effective federal income tax rate to get Euro-style social program benefits, or they don't. Take a poll.
What?
I told you what's included in European taxes, that's not included here. I on purpose quoted 100k family income (middle class, even though kind of barely, especially in some locations) to avoid the claim that everything is covered here by "welfare". Are you saying that my childcare and insurance all these years could have been paid by somebody else. Who is that? Is college also covered? Lol.
Schools are not paid by federal taxes, my kids schools are paid by my (huge) property taxes. So it needs to be included, no way around.
Compare federal/national taxes to federal/national social welfare benefits. That's a fair comparison.
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