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Old 03-15-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Oh please Rachel, you don't really think most people would want their hours reduced, do you? My belief is most people are embarrassed to need help by way of food assistance, Medicaid, etc., and would much rather be able to support themselves.

As far as the workers at that McDonald's goes, if I had been the owner/manager I would have told them no, work your full-time hours or I'll find someone else who is willing to. My guess is they would have reluctantly agreed to work their regular hours than to have to find another job. And this was a rare case, I'm sure. In 99% of the cases I'm sure workers were thrilled to bring home those better paychecks for working 40 hours/week for $15/hour.
People SHOULD be embarrassed to need help by way of food assistance, etc., but far too many liberals have convinced them it's perfectly respectable and that they are entitled to it.

Certainly you've heard of people who refuse to work because they can make almost as much just staying home on welfare. The attitude is rampant.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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I can't decide if your post was folderol, balderdash, or both. I'm leaning towards "BOTH".
Folderol = fol·de·rol trivial or nonsensical fuss.

You've been waiting for a chance to use that one for awhile, haven't you? Tip, don't try using it in person when talking to people, you might get the 'ol .
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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People SHOULD be embarrassed to need help by way of food assistance, etc., but far too many liberals have convinced them it's perfectly respectable and that they are entitled to it.

Certainly you've heard of people who refuse to work because they can make almost as much just staying home on welfare. The attitude is rampant.
And certainly you've heard of people who have lost jobs because millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas, others have gone to Mexico, others are being filled in this country by 10s of millions of illegals, or by abuse of work visa laws that have seen Americans lose good paying jobs.

What are those people supposed to do Rachel when they either can't find employment or have been reduced to working low paying and/or part-time jobs? Not every community is a huge metropolis where people can find two or three part-time jobs if they need to to survive. Opportunities aren't there for many of our fellow citizens.

People have been held down, if you can't see that it might be due to who you are surrounded by in your community. Meaning you are sheltered in that community, perhaps? Maybe not, but you obviously aren't privy to the struggles many of our citizens are going through thanks to corporate globalists and our politicians who do their bidding when writing our laws.

Keep in mind many middle-aged people are committing suicide rather than becoming homeless due to lack of opportunities or not being able to support themselves with a decent paying jobs. And don't think for a second that they are all uneducated fools that bring nothing to the table, because that's not always the case.

Being poor isn't a crime and shouldn't be something someone should be ashamed of or ridiculed for, especially when you consider the corporate, globalist system we are living in today. Americans have been brushed aside by our own politicians and businesses. Which unfortunately has many young people desiring socialism. Yuk.
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Old 03-15-2019, 01:01 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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How do you close the gap between rich and poor?
Get government out of the way, so everyday Joe can compete with the monopolies.
Quit with the hand outs, and start with the hand ups.
Make employment illegal. Only self employment. Separation from the mediocre, to the brilliant and motivated.
Natural Law... What The USA was founded upon.
When government gets involved, it is no longer natural.
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Old 03-15-2019, 01:03 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'm sure you have Googled for the pros and cons about "School Choice," so I won't bother getting into the cons that are hard for me to ignore. Choice always sounds good, but as usual, it's not so simple and arguing that a public education system has "ZERO accountability" clearly demonstrates a certain bias that always gets in the way of intelligent discussion and conclusion.
There is no accountability whatsoever. How do I know? Just go to your kids school, tell them you're enrolling them in a private school that has MUCH better results, and see if they agree to relinquish your tax dollars to pay for it.

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Might just add that the public education system did pretty well for me and my kids. A very good "bang for the buck" far as I/we are concerned...
From your posts, I wouldn't assume that. You're big on opinion, but very short on facts. As I posted in another thread (the college admission scandal thread, I believe)... Academic rigor and educational quality varies EXTREMELY widely among our nation's high schools. Not all grades can be compared on an equitable level. What is considered A grade work at one school may be C or below grade work at another. The same is true of competitve high school sports. State champions from one state might not even be able to best a mid-level team/athlete in another. The nationally-normed SAT/ACT is the ONE objective factor that levels the playing field. All students' SAT/ACT scores are compared on an equal basis, because that's pretty much the only thing in their application which can be. That's what makes this bribing cheating scandal so insidious.

A lot of people also assume that their kid's (or their local school if they have no kids) high school is really good if they offer AP or IB classes. That's not enough to be able to tell. You have to look at the percentage of the school's students who take the AP/IB end of course exam (which may or may not confer college credit, depending on the score one earns), the school's average scores in each subject, and also the percentage of students who earn what is considered passing scores in each subject. Any school can offer AP/IB classes. That's no guarantee that they're any good.
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Old 03-15-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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Get government out of the way, so everyday Joe can compete with the monopolies.
Quit with the hand outs, and start with the hand ups.
Make employment illegal. Only self employment. Separation from the mediocre, to the brilliant and motivated.
Natural Law... What The USA was founded upon.
When government gets involved, it is no longer natural.
Yes, the monopolies won't get bigger and stronger when the government steps away.

The good old 1890's, yep everything was great for the common man.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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Tie executive, managerial & supervisory pay to multiples of what the lowest paid workers in the company make. I've mentioned this before to crickets because people can't wrap their minds around it, I guess. Too complicated? I don't think so.

My way of doing it:

1) Would start by making the minimum wage $10.50/hour.

2) If the lowest paid worker makes between $10.50 - $10.99/hour the top executive would make a maximum of a multiple of 50 times the salary of the lowest paid worker based on 40 hours/week times 52 weeks/year. Lesser executive positions, managerial and supervisory salaries would have lower maximum salaries descending downwards the lower the position is.

Example: $10.50/hour x 2080 hours/year (40 hours/week x 52 weeks) = $21,840. $21,840 x 50 (maximum multiple the top executive could make = $1,092,000/year.

3) With every 50 cent increase in lowest paid worker hourly wage the multiple would increase. So at $11/hour the top exec multiple might be times 55. $11/hour times 2080 = $22,880. $22,880 x 55 = $1,258,400.

4) Once the lowest paid worker makes $15/hour there would be no cap on executive, managerial or supervisory pay provided the lowest paid worker receives all benefits others in the company receive. That would also help people working in lower level positions get benefits that have steadily been taken away by corporate execs, like holiday pay, sick days, vacations, health benefits, participation in a company's 401k program, etc..

If a company can't afford to pay employees a decent wage executive pay shouldn't be exorbitant like we see today in most companies.

To be clear, if the lowest paid workers work less than 40 hours/week their pay would be prorated at 40 hours/week for the purpose of creating the multiple that would determine the maximum salary for execs.

Do this and all those people who work but are so poor they qualify for food assistance, Medicaid & other benefits will greatly decrease. They'll be able to afford to support themselves.
Hard to get to everyone's comments and of course not everyone is inclined to bother, but obviously you are making something of an effort here, well deserving of a response that you seem to be asking for...

Mine, for starters, is reluctance, because I am reluctant to impose too much in the way of this sort of reach into what the leadership of a company might decide to compensate all employees from the top down. I'm big on promoting the "free" in free enterprise, avoiding artificial influence in the way of government intervention until or unless necessary. A minimum wage makes some sense to me in this regard for reasons I won't get into here, but getting involved with what a company can compensate it's highest paid employees is another matter and not one that I believe will help those who need the help I am advocating.

I'm more inclined to let companies do whatever they can to compete, do well, grow, make money, including whatever they may choose to compensate their employees from the top down, but then..., from those who DO make all the money, there needs to be more "giving back" from these companies and individuals in line with what they are getting from their hard work and good fortune.

Yes. I think those making all that money at the top should be paying more in taxes than they do as a rule...
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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Stop the federal reserve's devaluing of our currency!

https://mic.com/articles/7305/wealth...ism#.m9IYfimzS
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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I can't decide if your post was folderol, balderdash, or both. I'm leaning towards "BOTH".
I think when you start with a notion like "stop the poor from having children," it isn't likely to expect much better than folderol, balderdash or both to follow...

In fact, it's amazing the whole discussion doesn't go the way of the toilet bowl from there. Then again, that's exactly where some people's comments belong!
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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How do you close the gap between rich and poor?
You could teach the poor how to make money.
That oughta work.
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