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Old 02-23-2019, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Raddo View Post
People see what they want to see. Things have NOT started downhill since legalization. If things were so bad in Holland, they would have changed it. But you refuse to even LOOK at how western European countries are handing drug issues, and doing a much better job than we are. Closed mind, indeed.
Nope. I have looked at how they handle it in Holland and other European countries. They have not legalized drugs.

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It has been 7 years now since legalization here in Colorado, Finn, and we are doing better than most places. The problems you are harping on are happening everywhere, and has nothing to do with legalization.
If murder rate was increasing nationwide as fast as it is in CO, it would be a big problem indeed. Thank God it is not true.


Colorado governor won't rule out banning marijuana again. Here's why
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/20/us/co...ime/index.html

Denver (CNN)Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper has two facts in front of him: Since 2014 crime has been rising in his state, outstripping the national trend, and since 2014 recreational use of marijuana has been legal.

"Trust me, if the data was coming back and we saw spikes in violent crime, we saw spikes in overall crime, there would be a lot of people looking for that bottle and figuring out how we get the genie back in," he said. "It doesn't seem likely to me, but I'm not ruling it out."
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-...nd-state#MRord

Murder rates for Louisana, Missouri and Arkansas (All solid Red states with no legal mj) have increased much more than Colorado.

Combine that with the growth rate for those states (compare to Colorado)....


https://amp.businessinsider.com/imag...61-750-563.png


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Old 02-23-2019, 08:44 AM
 
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Colorado is a drug-infested wasteland full of bums and criminals since legal pot. Other states considering should take a close look.
THANK YOU for your perfect timing and so succinctly making my point!

Don't you see Finn? People see what they want to see. This poster could not be more wrong, but political bias taints everything they see.

Again, I have to reiterate: I ACTUALLY LIVE HERE!
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Simple math. Denver has a population of 704,621 people. With 67 murders, that adds up to a murder rate of 9.5 murders per 100,000. Wild West ,huh?

Tulsa, Oklahoma, a conservative city: About 64 murder murders, not all that much lower than Denver in terms of raw murders. Population, 401,800. Murder rate: 15.9 murders per 100,000.

https://www.kxii.com/video?vid=506139632

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/healt...abs/index.html

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018...rceration-rate

Oklahoma has one of the highest incarceration rates in America. It hasn't stopped its drug problems, especially in Tulsa. Oklahoma is conservative. Tulsa is a Republican city.
Now why do you have to use facts to refute these ridiculous comparisons?
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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If you look at the crime data on this wb site that crime and murder rates havent changed much over the years. Its generally up and down.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Now why do you have to use facts to refute these ridiculous comparisons?
It does not refute it. The other places have higher rates, but they have remained steady, while in CO it is on the rise.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Falsely conflating conservative El Paso County, which goes pretty much 100% red in elections, with blue Denver? Yeah, that makes this claim pretty much BS for that and all the other reasons it's been debunked in the rest of the thread.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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It is really mostly the Front Range that is liberal/progressive. Yes, there are other pockets too, but that is where the bulk of the population lives. Go to the Western Slope, very different, it you want more conservative neighbors.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:55 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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The OP is delusional as usual. If you are against legal pot and you think it is dangerous here in Colorado then don't move here. Crime has gone up because more people are moving here because it is pretty awesome. The OP used to live here and at one point he claimed he liked the home prices going up because it kept the riff raff out. Now he bags on it because it is yet another place he can't afford just like California.

The benefits of legalizing marijuana have outweighed the negative effects ten fold. We don't care if you like it or not.

3/24/2016: "I am from Colorado and I am glad it is expensive for single family homes. It keeps the riff-raff out."
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Colorado is a drug-infested wasteland full of bums and criminals since legal pot. Other states considering should take a close look.
Sarcasm?
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