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Old 02-23-2019, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Just about every democrat-controlled city in America in the last 50 years, it appears.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ob7ueICeA
It's supply and demand....areas of the city that are unsafe are not in demand but areas that are nice and safe are in demand are too expensive for middle class families.

I think Dims don't like the Middle Class so they rid themselves of this group if/when they can....they prefer rich elites and illegal slave labor.
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Old 02-23-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Just about every democrat-controlled city in America in the last 50 years, it appears.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ob7ueICeA
Taxed them out of their homes and into lower costs of living in the southern states. I know, I'm in real estate in those southern states and the times they are a changin....
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The middle class blue collar family from the 1950's, 1960's, and 1970, when a man didn't need a college diploma or even a high school diploma to get a job in a factory and make enough money so his wife could stay home and take care of the kids, and have a nice late model vehicle, and a 2nd vehicle, and be able to family vacation every year, and send the kids to college.

That's how life was back then for many, if not most Baby Boomers. But those days are long gone, I'm sad to say. How I would love to go back to those days. Everything was original. The best tv shows. The best music. The best entertainment. Even cartoons were better back then. I could go on and on. Life was so much simpler then.

I think that's the era people are talking about when they say "Make America Great Again".
I am a baby boomer. We, family of 4, lived in 3-4 room apartments. Dad had an old beater station wagon. House next door had 17 kids and one bathroom. It was a lower middle class neighborhood with a lot of dads who were police officers, firefighters, bus drivers and so on. No shortage of corner taverns. Lots of working moms, teachers, secretaries, bank tellers, check out clerks and a few nurses.

Ahhh. The 50's where ,for a blip in time, the US was able to rebuild those parts of the world devasteted by war.

A time when income taxes were substantially higher than today.

A time when segregation denied equal rights to education, employment, pay, housing and public accommodation to black people with serious consequences for those who dared buck the system.

A time when the average new housing was 1/3 the size it is today, despite substantially larger family sizes.

A time when the population who were never particularly good savers, chose not to live beyond their means as they do today.

A time when labor unions were at their peak which helped the masses onto the lower rungs of middle class and eventually made the US less competitive in a global economy.

A time when 20% of the population lived in desperate poverty and likely never realized the Great Depressiin had ended.

A time when newspaper typesetting/ print shops were 24/7 operations and employed tens of thousands.

A time when thousands of office and industrial functions were still performed by humans because no one had yet invested the technology to replace them.

A time when auto ownership was 324 per 1000 population compared to almost 850 per 1000 today.
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:11 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I am a baby boomer. We, family of 4, lived in 3-4 room apartments. Dad had an old beater station wagon. House next door had 17 kids and one bathroom. It was a lower middle class neighborhood with a lot of dads who were police officers, firefighters, bus drivers and so on. No shortage of corner taverns. Lots of working moms, teachers, secretaries, bank tellers, check out clerks and a few nurses.

Ahhh. The 50's where ,for a blip in time, the US was able to rebuild those parts of the world devasteted by war.

A time when income taxes were substantially higher than today.

A time when segregation denied equal rights to education, employment, pay, housing and public accommodation to black people with serious consequences for those who dared buck the system.

A time when the average new housing was 1/3 the size it is today, despite substantially larger family sizes.

A time when the population who were never particularly good savers, chose not to live beyond their means as they do today.

A time when labor unions were at their peak which helped the masses onto the lower rungs of middle class and eventually made the US less competitive in a global economy.

A time when 20% of the population lived in desperate poverty and likely never realized the Great Depressiin had ended.

A time when newspaper typesetting/ print shops were 24/7 operations and employed tens of thousands.

A time when thousands of office and industrial functions were still performed by humans because no one had yet invested the technology to replace them.

A time when auto ownership was 324 per 1000 population compared to almost 850 per 1000 today.
Yeah, the 50's were not that great - and what WAS great was generally great because whole groups of OTHER people were being deprived of having THEIR fair shot at any kind of reasonable success - a classic case of "it's good to be the king" mentality. Straight White males ruled and EVERYONE ELSE - women, minorities, foreigners, you name it - were treated like dirt.

Ken
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Nowhere
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I am a baby boomer. We, family of 4, lived in 3-4 room apartments. Dad had an old beater station wagon. House next door had 17 kids and one bathroom. It was a lower middle class neighborhood with a lot of dads who were police officers, firefighters, bus drivers and so on. No shortage of corner taverns. Lots of working moms, teachers, secretaries, bank tellers, check out clerks and a few nurses.

Ahhh. The 50's where ,for a blip in time, the US was able to rebuild those parts of the world devasteted by war.

A time when income taxes were substantially higher than today.

A time when segregation denied equal rights to education, employment, pay, housing and public accommodation to black people with serious consequences for those who dared buck the system.

A time when the average new housing was 1/3 the size it is today, despite substantially larger family sizes.

A time when the population who were never particularly good savers, chose not to live beyond their means as they do today.

A time when labor unions were at their peak which helped the masses onto the lower rungs of middle class and eventually made the US less competitive in a global economy.

A time when 20% of the population lived in desperate poverty and likely never realized the Great Depressiin had ended.

A time when newspaper typesetting/ print shops were 24/7 operations and employed tens of thousands.

A time when thousands of office and industrial functions were still performed by humans because no one had yet invested the technology to replace them.

A time when auto ownership was 324 per 1000 population compared to almost 850 per 1000 today.
Nice spin.


Of course, the disappearing middle-class couldn't at all be correlated to the tens of millions of unskilled/uneducated third-worlders we've added (against Americans' wills) to the country since 1965, could it??
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:25 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Nice spin.


Of course, the disappearing middle-class couldn't at all be correlated to the tens of millions of unskilled/uneducated third-worlders we've added (against Americans' wills) to the country since 1965, could it??
How about to the "war on UNIONS" waged by the GOP over the past decades?

Its no coincidence that as unions have been systematically destroyed by GOP-sponsored legislation, workers have increasingly found themselves losing ground on wages/benefits vs cost of living. With unions all but gone workers have little or no ability to stand their ground for their fair share of the pie - which is just the way Republicans like it.

Thanks GOP!


Ken
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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Another prime time cable news host delivering red meat to its viewing audiences.

Does this sort of thing appeal to those in rural America where, in some cases, jobs are scare and most everyone is low income?

Things are so bad in Chicago that McDonads and Walgreens moved their headquarters and thousands of jobs to the city and did so to attract and retain skilled employees. Dozens of other companies have done likewise.

The retreat from suburban office campuses is happening throughout the US.

Things are so bad in Chicago that it had 55 million overnight visitors, last year who spent huge sums on lodging, dining, entertainment and shopping.
Holding up the trappings of upper middle class life as emblamatic of a city kind of highlights the OP. Walgreens is not moving to the city to attract someone making $50k. They are moving back to attract someone making $120k.

And let's everyone just sweep the 2/3 of the city that is economically marginal under the rug.
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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This is not unique to Chicago. This reflects a nationwide trend of greater wealth disparity. And yes, it’s happening in Chicago as well.

There is a whole other thread about income inequality on here. The same people that are gasping about what’s happening in Chicago are denying that income inequality is a growing and important issue that needs to be addressed. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

But go ahead and clutch your pearls...because, you know....Chicago.
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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This is not unique to Chicago. This reflects a nationwide trend of greater wealth disparity. And yes, it’s happening in Chicago as well.

There is a whole other thread about income inequality on here. The same people that are gasping about what’s happening in Chicago are denying that income inequality is a growing and important issue that needs to be addressed. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

But go ahead and clutch your pearls...because, you know....Chicago.
The same hypocrisy can be found among liberals who decry income inequality and then trumpet the higher incomes found in cities relative to rural areas.
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:47 PM
 
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The same hypocrisy can be found among liberals who decry income inequality and then trumpet the higher incomes found in cities relative to rural areas.
I don’t disagree with you one bit. The whole nation is full of gd hypocrites on both sides. It makes me want to tear my hair out.
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