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Old 02-23-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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I live in a neighborhood in Chicago full of rich, limousine liberals that talk the talk but don’t want to walk the walk. They will talk about uplifting the under class, but god forbid anyone try to build a shelter in their neighborhood of million dollar homes and rising property values that displace middle class families that have lived there for much longer, but can not afford to due to the property tax burdens.


They are just as bad as those on the right who simply say “F*** the poor.”
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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I live in a neighborhood in Chicago full of rich, limousine liberals that talk the talk but don’t want to walk the walk. They will talk about uplifting the under class, but god forbid anyone try to build a shelter in their neighborhood of million dollar homes and rising property values that displace middle class families that have lived there for much longer, but can not afford to due to the property tax burdens.


They are just as bad as those on the right who simply say “F*** the poor.”
It's really home owner vs. non land owner. That's where the real battle is. You see it all over the country, and it spans political parties and spectrums, pretty much in any city.

NINBYism is equal opportunity.
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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I don’t disagree with you one bit. The whole nation is full of gd hypocrites on both sides. It makes me want to tear my hair out.
I couldn’t agree more. And we are all part of the same hypocrisy to such a degree as to not ever give an inch because we know what happens when you give an inch: the other side takes a mile.
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Just about every democrat-controlled city in America in the last 50 years, it appears.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ob7ueICeA


Holy Hell!! Why the F*** does Fox News lies so much???!!!! I can't help it, I HAVE to call out this BS and fake news from Fox.

Look at the supposed map of Chicago that Tucker put up showing where the "poor people" are and where the "middle class" people are. Anyone with a passing knowledge of Chicago would burst out laughing like I did, and then I just have to shake my head.

The map that they show has Wicker Park, Bucktown, Logan Square, East Pilsen, West Town, and Ukrainian Village as "poor neighborhoods" where the middle class disappeared. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just to give you an idea, below are some listings that shows how much a house would cost in these "poor poverty" neighborhoods. To be completely fair, I only use homes that have actually sold in the past year.


https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/27.../home/13451329


https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/16.../home/13354281

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/12...home/113097412

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/18.../home/14104704

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/16.../home/17559601

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/25.../home/13450041


To sum it up, a single family home in these "poor neighborhood" easily pushes half a million dollars for the "starter house" and easily over a million for the bigger mansion.

These are "poor areas"??? Seriously!!!!!

The fact is that the part of Chicago where Tucker Carlson claims are the middle class neighborhoods are where the super rich resides. Basically if someone isn't living in a $2 million+ house, Fox News will claim that person is poor. In other words, in order to justify their fake claim, they essentially put everyone who's not a mega millionaire as poor.

Why Fox News, why do you lie so much and so blatantly???

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Old 02-23-2019, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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I hate when people use bad maps to justify their agenda. Everything about that map is absolutely terrible. Like, not even one thing is accurate. For example in 1970 the Chicago metropolitan area had 4,200,000 people not living inside the city limits. In 2010 that number is now 6.7 million people. A fully new 2.5 million residents in Chicago. Now during this time, while the city lost population. It went from 3.4 million to 2.7 million today almost completely in the Red areas today to the South and West of the city. It also skyrocketed in population in the blue areas in the 2010 map. So what does this mean.

https://danielkayhertz.com/2014/03/31/middle-class/

I found a similar graph, as to how they defined this situation, essentially they said that this is poverty relative to the metropolitan area... So an area doesn't actually have to be poorer than in 1970 to be labelled poor, it's actually just poverty relative to how rich everyone i. It's essentially a problem because Chicago as a whole started getting wealthier and wealthier and more and more wealthy people moved there. Because of this what was middle class before didn't even have to fall into actual poverty, they just had to grow less than the city and the suburbs and now poverty has kicked out all the middle class Chicagoans. Basically this map is literally telling you more people live here are wealthier, it's not telling you that poor areas are actually poorer. As the city prospers, the only people who can live near the city are areas that are so poor that the wealthy don't move in, or areas that are wealthy because the city is prospering, middle class can't survive because all middle class neighborhoods will either become wealthy enclaves or be considered to poor to consider moving into.

https://danielkayhertz.com/2014/12/0...-income-donut/

So back when people living within the city of Chicago made up nearly 45% of Chicagoland a lot of middle class residents lived in the city of Chicago, now that Chicago is only 25% of the metro what is considered the inner city has expanded. in the first picture, the inner city was the very center around Downtown and only rich and poor people lived there. Now the inner city is nearly all of city limits but the same dynamic exists. On top of this, the areas in blue are currently growing rapidly in population and most of the areas in red actually have lost well over one million people. So, the actual city might look predominantly poor, but since the Blue area is 1.5-2x the density or more than the red, it actually looks significantly worse than it is. For example the Blue area is 25% of the land but actually about 30-40% of the population of the city. Not to mention to even be marked a poor you have to be poorer than the suburbs that now make up 75% of the population. OF course their are poor ares marked there, but it makes it so much easier when you use the prosperity of Chicago to lie. It's not the rich people getting Richer, its that Chicago has more rich people than ever who are all getting richer and the number of poor people may be increasing but that's because from 1970 to 2010 the population of everyone increased.
https://www.curbed.com/2018/7/31/176...reat-migration
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:32 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Holy Hell!! Why the F*** does Fox News lies so much???!!!! I can't help it, I HAVE to call out this BS and fake news from Fox.

Look at the supposed map of Chicago that Tucker put up showing where the "poor people" are and where the "middle class" people are. Anyone with a passing knowledge of Chicago would burst out laughing like I did, and then I just have to shake my head.

The map that they show has Wicker Park, Bucktown, Logan Square, East Pilsen, West Town, and Ukrainian Village as "poor neighborhoods" where the middle class disappeared. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just to give you an idea, below are some listings that shows how much a house would cost in these "poor poverty" neighborhoods. To be completely fair, I only use homes that have actually sold in the past year.


https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/27.../home/13451329


https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/16.../home/13354281

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/12...home/113097412

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/18.../home/14104704

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/16.../home/17559601

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/25.../home/13450041


To sum it up, a single family home in these "poor neighborhood" easily pushes half a million dollars for the "starter house" and easily over a million for the bigger mansion.

These are "poor areas"??? Seriously!!!!!

The fact is that the part of Chicago where Tucker Carlson claims are the middle class neighborhoods are where the super rich resides. Basically if someone isn't living in a $2 million+ house, Fox News will claim that person is poor. In other words, in order to justify their fake claim, they essentially put everyone who's not a mega millionaire as poor.

Why Fox News, why do you lie so much and so blatantly???

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Because they CAN - and because their average viewer is REALLY STUPID and just accept what they WANT TO BE TRUE.

Ken
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Nice spin.


Of course, the disappearing middle-class couldn't at all be correlated to the tens of millions of unskilled/uneducated third-worlders we've added (against Americans' wills) to the country since 1965, could it??
Can’t compete with unskilled, uneducated third world workers?

Against Americans’ wishes?

The US is a country of immigrants who resent immigrants because they tend to work for less than those who came before. People had the same beef 150 , 100 and 50 years ago. Who do you think hires immigrants?
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Nowhere
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Who do you think hires immigrants?
The elite - the very wealthy, who want cheap labor. Certainly not the middle-class.


Which is why it is all the more strange that liberals fight so hard for workers that the wealthy/elite are using to keep the middle- and lower-classes wages stagnant or regressive.
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:17 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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beb0p just killed the OP's video.

Maybe it's time for me to do one of these for Chicago. I'll even get some areas on the Southside!

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Looks to me like it's got an abundance of middle class areas.
I don' know, those pictures look like a Third World H*llhole to me.
Wish I had the money to afford that kind of H*llhole.

Ken
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