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You and many others think ONLY in terms of might over right, who conquered and so be it...
That's why there's a USA. Revolutionary War --> land obtained by the victorious --> Declaration of Independence --> The USA. You know, the country in which you live and I'm presuming of which you are a citizen.
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Of course most people at all informed about this history don't need a lesson about the outcomes of these wars and how they "set the stage" going forward, but there are others who ALSO think in terms of how peace might best be accomplished rather than unnecessarily stirring up more conflict and war. What might reduce the never-ending killing and next generation of people out to get revenge? What might provide a way forward that provides everyone a shot at some reasonable path toward prosperity and the pursuit of happiness rather than endless bloodshed?
That sounds like the open borders globalists. Just give your land and everything else away and all will be cool. Sorry, it doesn't work that way, which is exactly WHY there are 195 different countries WITH borders on the earth.
Yep. The land no longer belonged to the British. And as far as "Palestinians?" Some live in Israel and are actually Israeli citizens. Very analogous to the Revolutionary War.
The COUNTRY was no longer British but American. Land titles held by individuals are a different issue.
Too, the final resolution in the new United States was that former Tories became reintegrated into American society with citizenship. That Palestinians within the State of Israel have citizenship is not what's problematic in this situation.
In the end, the "Palestinian question" (with most topically, annexation) will be an Israeli decision. How it impacts Americans with Trump as the Presidential decider is a whole other question.
Query: Does not allowing Israel to have carte blanche equate to hatred?
Only if they exercise their carte blanche with hatred. That Israel has the power to decide is an established fact, the real politik that another poster used earlier to assess the situation.
Most Palestinians simply want a good life with economic opportunity and freedom of movement. Israel has decades of experience with Israeli Palestinians who while they continue in a broader sense to support their fellow Palestinians also manage to be good Israeli citizens. Neither "side" has to choose hatred.
There are plenty of Middle East actors for whom "hatred" is deserved (terrorism etc.). No "good" from either side promoting more - with this "promotion" potentially taking a variety of forms.
The COUNTRY was no longer British but American. Land titles held by individuals are a different issue.
It's exactly the same. 20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinians, as they had the option to stay when Israel became a sovereign state. What makes you think they can't hold title to their land?
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Too, the final resolution in the new United States was that former Tories became reintegrated into American society with citizenship. That Palestinians within the State of Israel have citizenship is not what's problematic in this situation.
Yes, I know. The problem is that Israel is constantly under attack and must defend itself. Do you remember what started the Six-Day War? Syria shelled a tractor plowing in the DMZ. Nothing threatening about that. Syria's violent response was unprovoked.
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In the end, the "Palestinian question" (with most topically, annexation) will be an Israeli decision. How it impacts Americans with Trump as the Presidential decider is a whole other question.
It's no different than the US claiming sovereignty over US land. Period.
That's why there's a USA. Revolutionary War --> land obtained by the victorious --> Declaration of Independence --> The USA. You know, the country in which you live and I'm presuming of which you are a citizen.
That sounds like the open borders globalists. Just give your land and everything else away and all will be cool. Sorry, it doesn't work that way, which is exactly WHY there are 195 different countries WITH borders on the earth.
I guess you think yourself intelligent or somehow passing along something other than the obvious when you yet again give a history lesson perhaps better suited for a 1st grader...
We all know the history of the United States to some extent professor! There is little point in wasting time giving lessons about what can't be changed. Politics, leadership, both here in America (yes I'm a citizen, born and raised) and on the world stage is about what conflicts are still in flux today and how best to address them given what we have learned from history. Including all the "good, bad and ugly" in the way of peace, progress and/or mistakes made in the past, up to and including "crimes against humanity" that we really shouldn't allow to happen again if at all possible.
That's what the issues of today are all about, and why there is debate still going on today about such things! Unlike any debate still going on about where America's borders lie today or why.
Query: Does not allowing Israel to have carte blanche equate to hatred?
Answer: depends on who you ask...
Another query worthy of consideration if you ask me is whether U.S. policy should continue to be so blatantly one-sided in terms of providing that sort of carte blanche?
Time for me to sign off from the madness here and tune into another form of madness that happens to be one of my favorite forms of entertainment of all!
I guess you think yourself intelligent or somehow passing along something other than the obvious when you yet again give a history lesson perhaps better suited for a 1st grader...
I've quite clearly explained how Israel claiming sovereignty over the land they won in the Six-Day War is exactly analogous to the USA claiming sovereignty over the former British colonies after the British lost the Revolutionary War.
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We all know the history of the United States to some extent professor! There is little point in wasting time giving lessons about what can't be changed. Politics, leadership, both here in America (yes I'm a citizen, born and raised) and on the world stage is about what conflicts are still in flux today and how best to address them given what we have learned from history. Including all the "good, bad and ugly" in the way of peace, progress and/or mistakes made in the past, up to and including "crimes against humanity" that we really shouldn't allow to happen again if at all possible.
Israel has just as much right to claim sovereignty over its own land as does the US, so there should be no conflict. It's utterly ridiculous that a conflict even exists at all. Palestine wasn't even a sovereign state until 1988, LONG after the land became Israel's as a result of the Six-Day War.
Israel has just as much right to claim sovereignty over its own land as does the US, so there should be no conflict. It's utterly ridiculous that a conflict even exists at all. Palestine wasn't even a sovereign state until 1988, LONG after the land became Israel's as a result of the Six-Day War.
That Israel has sovereignty is not the question, as least for me. It's what Israel does with that sovereignty. The global impact of those decisions (if one is to take the broader view) or national impact (per US policy) or potential personal impact (to focus on self-interest).
Israelis were fortunate (from their point-of-view) that many Palestinians fled in 1948 and again in 1967. Too, many Syrians vacated the Golan Heights. That many of the fleeing Palestinians massed down on the Gaza strip is problematic. Too, Palestinians appear to have little desire to vacate the West Bank. Hence ... what next, as Jewish Israelis move on to that land?
That Israel has sovereignty is not the question, as least for me. It's what Israel does with that sovereignty.
They defend it from attack, just as the US would defend its land from attack.
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The global impact of those decisions (if one is to take the broader view) or national impact (per US policy) or potential personal impact (to focus on self-interest).
The problem is other ME countries' violent response to Israel's sovereignty. That shouldn't be happening. Remember how the US responded when Japan attacked the US naval base in 1941?
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Israelis were fortunate (from their point-of-view) that many Palestinians fled in 1948 and again in 1967. Too, many Syrians vacated the Golan Heights. That many of the fleeing Palestinians massed down on the Gaza strip is problematic. Too, Palestinians appear to have little desire to vacate the West Bank. Hence ... what next, as Jewish Israelis move on to that land?
Your question makes no sense. Palestinian Israeli citizens have been living in Israel since 1948.
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