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2. Naming a bill this is just done to rile up the base and people like you who arent willing to do research.
3. What this bill does is basically make it illegal to DNI a newborn at any point, so there are going to be cases where you are arguing for a family to be forced to deliver a child that has no QOL and pay millions of dollars in medical bills to simply wait for them to die. That family could have really wanted a child, but medical reasons caused problems in the womb, that meant there was a small chance of survival( things like the brain being outside the body and so on)
Are you proposing the Government pay for this, or force the family to ?
What is already "illegal?" There is no national standard to provide a heightened level of care care (in an attempt to save a life) for infants born alive after a botched abortion.
Most infants who live after a botched abortion will not survive long at all, but why in the world should we not require that more be done to save/preserve their lives?? There are going to be cases where the child would survive and have an excellent quality of life, yet the current state of the law will almost certainly ensure that the child does not live. Should someone who suffers a terrible injury at, say, age 33 that leaves them in the immediate aftermath with a terrible QOL not have an expectation that doctors will do everything they can to preserve/save their live (regardless of who will pay)? I know that some will answer in the negative, but that shows us where the two sides are in this debate. That is disgraceful, as is the vote of these Dem senators.
Even by the customarily disingenuous terms of anti-abortion rhetoric, the current arguments and uproar reek of false outrage and fear mongering.
According to conservatives, as illustrated in numerous threads on this forum alone, this is a strategy to re-elect Trump. The most recent bogus hypothetical of a woman requesting an abortion during labor is an example of false moral outrage in the era of Trump.
To hear Republicans talk about it, you’d think women drag out their pregnancies, wantonly waiting to abort until the contractions set in merely for the fun of it. This is nonsensical and the myth bears little resemblance to reality.
Here’s what’s real: The same people who are hand-wringing over imaginary infanticide are right now, in a very real way, fighting for policies that increase the number of later abortions, and that for some women, amount to a ban on abortion at all stages of pregnancy. Then fill in the blanks for all the cruel disregard Republicans have for actual life and real babies with no access to health care, proper nutrition and shelter etc.
I wish these underhanded arguments and duplicitous tactics could be converted to care and concern and activism toward compassionate legislation for real infants and children as opposed to the unconcealed desire to control women.
The ability of a woman to have control of her body is critical to civil rights.Take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a slippery slope. If the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy, what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization?
Anyone that would support a lifelong grifter and racketeer such as Trump to begin with would buy any brand of snake oil so no surprises that the biggest conspiracy theorists and the most gullible of the population would make up the Trump base. They actually believe that doctors are murdering babies. This is the birther Pizzagate crowd that looks then other way while actual kids are torn away from their mothers at the border and Trumps buddies are sex trafficking underage girls in practically what amounts to the backyard of his Florida resort.
The idea that abortion providers routinely deliver live infants and then kill them is a completely bogus right-wing myth that has found its way into the halls of Congress. If such a thing ever did happen, it wouldn’t be necessary to pass a new law about it because infanticide is already illegal.
But none of that is stopping the GOP, which is once again turning to fearmongering and lies about abortion to rile up the right-wing base because Republicans have no other real ideas for governing.
If it doesn't happen why wouldn't it be a good thing to vote to keep it that way?
The fact that Dems voted no on a bill that would keep something that "doesn't happen" from happening is proof that it actually does.
If it happens once it's too many times.
To protect it from happening is just, to allow it to happen even once is evil.
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Please stop wasting my taxpayer dollars on bogus legislation and faux outrage.
That has become the lamest argument for denying things the left hate. They care little about the cost of anything they want, even a $90T fantasy is fine with them.
The idea that abortion providers routinely deliver live infants and then kill them is a completely bogus right-wing myth that has found its way into the halls of Congress. If such a thing ever did happen, it wouldn’t be necessary to pass a new law about it because infanticide is already illegal.
But none of that is stopping the GOP, which is once again turning to fearmongering and lies about abortion to rile up the right-wing base because Republicans have no other real ideas for governing.
If it doesn't happen why wouldn't it be a good thing to vote to keep it that way?
The fact that Dems voted no on a bill that would keep something that "doesn't happen" from happening is proof that it actually does.
If it happens once it's too many times.
To protect it from happening is just, to allow it to happen even once is evil.
That has become the lamest argument for denying things the left hate. They care little about the cost of anything they want, even a $90T fantasy is fine with them.
Because the act is already illegal, making the legislation redundant. We don’t need an additional law, and passing one will not prevent infanticide from happening. You’re making an empty claim. The extant law allows for someone who commits this particular crime to be arrested and tried.
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