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It is likely that Kaisch will do another run for the presidency, particularly since he has some leftover campaign money from 2016. After 3 years of Trump, Kaisch may rip him a new one. So far, Weld is the only one who has formally declared his candidacy. He's a virtual unknown outside of Massachusetts, but might appeal to solid conservatives.
STOP saying ignorant things.....Kasich is not liked in the party. He is for open borders, amnesty, and globalism (basically he is for returning to the Bush Doctrine) good luck with that in the GOP.
Do you know how much money Kasich needs to take on a sitting President in all 50 states? a lot more than in 2016 in which he sucked big time.
you mean like Bill Clinton did in 1996 and Obama did 2012? .........Democrats learned from 1980, that if you challenge a sitting President within the party that the chances of winning in the general are small...........why do you think Bill didn't get a challenge in 1996 and Obama in 2012?
Do you think Republicans want Bernie in the W.H. instead of Trump putting judges on the bench? LOL
Not sure about Clinton, but yes, just like Obama. That doesn't make it a good thing for democracy. Any other nonsense? Because seriously, this whataboutism is sad. I know its hard for you and some others to comprehend, but wrong is wrong no matter who does it. And way too many people seem to have lost sight of that.
You don't primary the incumbent president. It just isn't done - by either party.
thank you!!!! you don't give up the advantage a party has.......even if some republicans are not happy with Trump, what is the alternative? Socialist Bernie or Warren......if those are the options, they wouldn't mind Trump for 4 more years.
Kasich was a weak candidate in 2016 and weaker now.....no open borders and amnesty Republican can ever win the GOP nomination.....that's like a pro-life Democrat winning the party's nomination, it's not going to happen.
Who is going to be running against Trump in the Republican race? If they had a choice, most Republicans would not vote for Trump again.
Getting Trump off the ballot would solve a lot of problems for the GOP. If he starts losing primaries in red states, his candidacy would be in real trouble.
I think it depends on how much more dirt and sleaze comes out during the next 18 months. Even if he is not indicted or impeached--he's going to looking rather corrupt and shabby. He really can't keep hammering the same things as 2016, as it will appear that he did not accomplish them. And people have to be getting tired of the whole nepotism thing when not Jared or Ivanka or Trump have any idea what is legal and what is illegal, but they are in charge of our policy. It's a freaking joke. If Obama or Clinton had pulled any of the crap Trump has done in the past and is doing now, the Republicans would be screaming!
This chaotic WH is not the new normal. It is a temporary anomaly that will vanish with Trump. We'll fix all the crappy relations Trump has had with other countries, and things will return to some semblance of civilization. The guy is a crook--spun any way you look at it--he's a pathetic representative of America and its values.
If he just rallies and complains about not getting credit or being the eternal Victim, I don't think he's going to get anyone too excited--he'll just look crazier. It seems like by 2020, America is going to want to start cleaning up its act. If Romney or another establishment Republican runs against Trump, and the Dems are too far to the left, then moderate Republicans would probably go for someone for whom they have more respect.
Not sure about Clinton, but yes, just like Obama. That doesn't make it a good thing for democracy. Any other nonsense? Because seriously, this whataboutism is sad. I know its hard for you and some others to comprehend, but wrong is wrong no matter who does it. And way too many people seem to have lost sight of that.
Bill Clinton wasn't challenged within the party in 1996.....or Reagan in 1984 or Nixon in 1972 or LBJ in 1964.....FDR never got a challenged within the party the 3 times he ran for re-election or Truman in 1948 or Ike in 1956.
So I don't know your issues now. The only time a sitting President has been challenged was because the base split and the party lost the general. Jimmy Carter 1980 and HW BUSH 1992.
It's about putting the party in the best position to win in the general....if you don't get that, then that's your problem. When a sitting President is not running, the party has a big field of candidates to pick the strongest one for the General.
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Gerald Ford was one of the least popular Republicans in 1976, having just pardoned hated Nixon and all. Reagan was the serious rising star of Republican politics and tried to primary Ford.
Reagan lost. The incumbent was the nominee.
As it stands, there is nobody like Reagan coming up the ranks of the GOP, and Trump is vastly more popular and electorally solid than Ford was in 1976.
Who is going to be running against Trump in the Republican race? If they had a choice, most Republicans would not vote for Trump again.
Getting Trump off the ballot would solve a lot of problems for the GOP. If he starts losing primaries in red states, his candidacy would be in real trouble.
There is no serious contender willing to challenge the incumbent.
How would you or for that matter, anyone know "most Republicans would not vote for Trump".
There are more unaffiliated/Independent voters than there are Republicans or Democrats. They will likely determine the " popular" outcome in 2020.
He basically now owns the party. This is one of the reasons so many Republicans defend him I think. And....its a horrible thing for a Democracy like ours.
When people refer to our country as a Democracy, they undercut their own arguments. USA is not a democracy, it is a constitutional or representative Republic. So if you mean democratic process then say that.
We elect people to represent us in Congress (as well as electors to vote for President). We do not vote for each bill.
To say it another way, We exercise our will as a people by voting people to represent us. We do not vote a referendum for each bill/law. We do not draw straws. We do not put in white or black marbles. Any of that.
We do use a democratic process for the most part in the election booths. One person one vote sort of thing. The big man in town doesn't have more votes than the poorest.
You don't primary the incumbent president. It just isn't done - by either party.
Except of course it is done, it's not even particularly uncommon
1992: Pat Buchanan vs. George H.W. Bush
1980: Ted Kennedy vs. Jimmy Carter
1976: Ronald Reagan vs. Gerald Ford
1972: Pete McCloskey vs. Richard Nixon
1968: Eugene McCarthy vs. Lyndon Johnson
Does it weaken the incumbent? Yes, absolutely, although not always. But then again, if someone were to primary Trump, there's a good chance that they would want him weakened of course
I think there's a decent chance of a primary in the GOP this time
Bill Weld
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