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False information give to Bush by the Clinton administration and the director of the CIA.... George Tenet.
Please re-read what Clinton said in 1998.
I remember well the 'testimony' of the young woman regarding tossing babies out of incubators in Kuwait. Turns out, it was all a set up. It was not a hearing and she was the daughter of the ambassador from Kuwait.
Scott Ridder would tell anybody who would listen to him that there were no WMD in Iraq. They could account for everything down to the part numbers. About the time he was gaining some traction, thanks to CSpan, low and behold, there was kiddy prom on his computer. But as soon as the invasion was underway, the porn was a mistaken id.
2000 -- The Republican primaries to be more precise.
If I had a time machine, I would have bee-lined it to Colin Powell's study and convinced him to run for the GOP nomination.
W was a nitwit who took this country into the ginned-up expedition into Iraq and stood idly by while the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression started brewing. Gore was a cypher. Meanwhile, Colin Powell would have been a superb and honorable president.
Reid was in charge of the senate for the first 4 years of Obozo....
Harry Reid also did away with the 60 vote rule to load up the courts with liberal leaning judges. And the left is now whining that conservative leaning judges are being nominated?
2000 -- The Republican primaries to be more precise.
If I had a time machine, I would have bee-lined it to Colin Powell's study and convinced him to run for the GOP nomination.
W was a nitwit who took this country into the ginned-up expedition into Iraq and stood idly by while the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression started brewing. Gore was a cypher. Meanwhile, Colin Powell would have been a superb and honorable president.
Colin Powell got three electoral College votes by members of the Washington delegation in 2016 president election.
2000 -- W was a nitwit who took this country into the ginned-up expedition into Iraq and stood idly by while the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression started brewing. Gore was a cypher. Meanwhile, Colin Powell would have been a superb and honorable president.
Actually the so-called economic crisis started in the last years of the Clinton when the 'Dot.com' bubble burst and then democrats stopped Bush's attempt to haul in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guarantee subprime mortgages which resulted in the housing market collapse.
Well, Gore made similar remarks, too. So did Clinton. Both Clintons. So if you're going to apply that standard, then you really need to apply it across the board.
The other thing to know is that W's presidency was looking for a pretext to invade Iraq from the very beginning of the administration. Literally day one, Bush officials were lobbying the FBI to produce evidence that Hussein was involved in terrorist acts, most notably against the USS Cole and the Khobar Tower bombings. The FBI said, "We don't have any link," so they kept looking for a cassus belli.
However, on the question of WMDs, of all the members of W's cabinet, it's important to know that Powell was the most skeptical. As Secretary of State, he simply did not have access to the same intelligence as W and Cheney and Rumsfeld. Even so, he had to be really convinced that the intelligence was true.
Had Powell been President at the time, I'm awfully certain that he would have demanded a much higher standard of proof, and it's doubtful that standard of proof would have been met. And, even if he had ordered the invasion of Iraq, he certainly would not have tolerated the wholesale disorganization of the ensuring occupation.
The invasion was the biggest fiasco in recent American history. Its pretext was a lie. While the invasion itself was a textbook operation, the aftermath of the invasion was a complete bungling.
I am not a liberal, no way no how. Yet I am gobsmacked at the conservatives who still, to this day, think we found WMDs in Iraq. Aside from some old chemical weapon shells lying around, we didn't. And certainly not manufacturing facilities of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. So we lost 5,500 service members, spent trillions of dollars, killed untold numbers of Iraqis, squandered international goodwill, and further destabilized an already unstable region for no reason at all.
Actually the so-called economic crisis started in the last years of the Clinton when the 'Dot.com' bubble burst and then democrats stopped Bush's attempt to haul in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guarantee subprime mortgages which resulted in the housing market collapse.
You know, I've heard that argument. And while the Clinton administration certainly played an important role, this is just absolute rubbish. The Bush administration enjoyed a Republican House and Senate in 2004-2006 and ignored the warning signs that were coming. Yes, Bush made a token attempt to tighten up underwriting, but caved at the first sign of resistance on the part of the Democrats.
Well, Gore made similar remarks, too. So did Clinton. Both Clintons. So if you're going to apply that standard, then you really need to apply it across the board.
I did...read post 45.
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The other thing to know is that W's presidency was looking for a pretext to invade Iraq from the very beginning of the administration. Literally day one, Bush officials were lobbying the FBI to produce evidence that Hussein was involved in terrorist acts, most notably against the USS Cole and the Khobar Tower bombings. The FBI said, "We don't have any link," so they kept looking for a cassus belli.
Clinton remarks and the actually bombing in 1998 weren't important?
The US actually knew after the Cole attack who did it because the Islamic Army of Aden immediately took credit for the attack. This organization had close ties to al Qaeda. The 911 commission said in its report the Cole attack was directly supervised by bin Laden.
You know, I've heard that argument. And while the Clinton administration certainly played an important role, this is just absolute rubbish. The Bush administration enjoyed a Republican House and Senate in 2004-2006 and ignored the warning signs that were coming. Yes, Bush made a token attempt to tighten up underwriting, but caved at the first sign of resistance on the part of the Democrats.
FYI..Flat not true....at the time it took 60 votes in the Senate to pass laws.
Wow, you want to keep Thomas out but have Breyer and Ginsburg in?
Maybe you have your elections mixed up, because Clinton would have won against most in 92 having nothing to do with Bush Sr losing in 88. Clinton would have lost to Bush Sr in 92 had Perot not jumped in. Otherwise Clinton and his cookie baking wife would not have risen to power. Bush losing in 88 would have all but guaranteed the Clinton's becoming powerful (assuming you are being honest).
Heck it was Bush who pushed Saddam back out of Kuwait which the entire world wanted, but he then refused to go into Iraq to remove Saddam.
Most people praise him or that, but you'd undue that just to unseat a scotus
BTW - Back then Cheney advised Bush Sr not to go into Iraq for all the right reasons. Why he did a 180 as VP with Bush Jr is one of the questions I'd like to aks him personally if I could.
I voted to keep the Manchurian candidate out, as he was a disaster on many fronts, not the least of which he stirred racial animus to a level I have never witnessed in my lifetime.
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Well, that last sentence aside, I agree with most of this.
I chose 2000. And, mind you, I voted for Junior in 2000.
I just think that 9/11 would have possibly been averted with different leadership.
If Gore had won in 2000, and then picked up a 2nd win in 2004, we'd have had a Republican in 2008 and you would have gotten to skip Obama (at that point, anyway) in 2008.
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