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It's possible that their experience at an SEC football program lead them to see much of the same cheating there that went on in the points you are referencing.
Having people take tests for you and fake classes etc. are not abnormal in bigtime college sports after all.
Funny part is that this little ring the FBI cracked is small potatoes compared to what goes on in just one of the power conferences let along across all of college football.
I agree there's corruption across the board they need to address.
I don't understand why these parents don't hire tutors for their kids and just have them attend schools they can get into. I'm guessing it's because that would require their children to do work, but getting a kid into a school they can't handle is just setting them up to fail.
Half of H'wood must need diapers right around now....lol.
Right. The poor and middle class have a harder time paying $500 for a 5 weeks SAT course, paying $75 an hour for algebra tutoring, paying for their student to take the SAT 4 times instead of just once, paying the 6K for the 8 member robotics team to sign up for competitions, on and on.
It's not a level playing field.
When I heard this on the news this morning it occurred to me to wonder where the "investigators" in this case have lived all their lives.
Yes. Wealthy children are at advantage.
And honestly, what's the point of having money if not power?
At my Alma Mater, when I was there, favoritism wasn't even "under the table". There was a section of the application where you could list your family members who also graduated from that university, and if their name was on a building, you're in.
You also could skip the "wait list" line for the optional orientation camp - completely above board - if the Development office called and said put this kid in a camp. Done.
This is a good example of what I said about these "tests" before. Why would there be so much emphasis on one test. The emphasis should be on that students high school grades.
Poorer kids attending Harvard and Yale get full ride scholarships as of about 5 years or so ago.
Family making under 65k a year and it's free including room and board.
Long story as to why they did this but it boils down to a way to subvert the ivy league charter banning athletic scholarships.
They also admitted to FURTHER lowering admission standards for athletes in key sports like mens basketball.
Most people probably already knew this was going on, the FBI is not going to be changing that anytime soon, there is too much money involved in college sports, its one of those things that are criminal and wrong, but its popular enough to ensure no one throws a wrench into it.
I agree there's corruption across the board they need to address.
I don't understand why these parents don't hire tutors for their kids and just have them attend schools they can get into. I'm guessing it's because that would require their children to do work, but getting a kid into a school they can't handle is just setting them up to fail.
Half of H'wood must need diapers right around now....lol.
Tutors won't fix THAT much in terms of test scores in the time allotted.
The realization that they won't get into X school doesn't normally happen until they're sophmores in highschool or later.
At that time, it's too dang late to fix someone on a so-so education path.
Just like it's a little late at that point to have them start playing basketball in hopes of a Div 1 scholarship. (Unless they're super tall and athletic)
Always made me laugh hearing how athletes got there by working hard while really smart people were just lucky to be born that way.....yeah right.
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Tutors won't fix THAT much in terms of test scores in the time allotted.
The realization that they won't get into X school doesn't normally happen until they're sophmores in highschool or later.
At that time, it's too dang late to fix someone on a so-so education path.
Just like it's a little late at that point to have them start playing basketball in hopes of a Div 1 scholarship. (Unless they're super tall and athletic)
Always made me laugh hearing how athletes got there by working hard while really smart people were just lucky to be born that way.....yeah right.
That's not my experience. I don't think my son could have passed Algebra II, although he loved Geometry, without a $75 per hour tutor. A couple hours a week for a couple months. He ended up with a B+.
Also, the $500 SAT prep course - they test the student at the beginning, and then test at the end and if the student doesn't pick up 100 points, you get your money back.
Why do you feel that liberals would want to ignore this issue? Complaining about how the system is rigged to give advantages to the wealthy and connected is pretty much right in their wheelhouse.
Elite colleges have become liberal echo chambers. These campuses have become intolerant of any viewpoint except socialist notions held by the extremely corrupt Open Borders/Soros promoters.
It shows the hypocrisy of these 'elite' institutions. Their professors preach that capitalism is evil, yet they are perfectly willing to take money from celebrities. They claim to be intellectually rigorous, but they care more about getting star athletes or getting a higher percentage of students from specific *marginalized* backgrounds who in many cases are academically not qualified. This pushes out other students who may have been far more capable at excelling at the academic level that the school claims to have.
It's good the New York Times is at least willing to cover this story. It's time someone there does honest, unbiased reporting and not just hyperbolic pieces about how American women are destined to live "The Handmaid's Tale."
Most people probably already knew this was going on, the FBI is not going to be changing that anytime soon, there is too much money involved in college sports, its one of those things that are criminal and wrong, but its popular enough to ensure no one throws a wrench into it.
That's their school and they can set admission standards however they like as long as they are not discriminatory to things like race, gender etc.
The FBI involvement in this case involved fraud to subvert those admission processes.
If you form a club or start a school you can set your own rules like make everyone have to wear a big pointy hat or own a llama or whatever.
B]]Clearly you did not read the article[/B[/b]]. In another report, the "charity" leader, William Singer, arranged to have a coach at the desired school create a profile of the student that would spin the student as a competitive soccer player, crew rower, etc., when in reality the student was no such thing. It also describes how two ACT administrators were bribed, how another student would take the test in place of the celebrity's child, and how a therapist was paid to state in writing that the student required additional time to take the standardized test. Under the guise of a charity called Key Worldwide Foundation, Singer paid various coaches to create profiles that would guarantee a plausible cover for securing admissions for these celebrities' children.
The book, The Price of Admission by Daniel Golden, first explained this corruption in the circle of elite universities and how admissions officers were eager to take money from the wealthy and celebrity parents in exchange for securing admissions for these parents' children. The chapter on Brown University should be read by any parent with a college-bound student.
The parents and the bribed college staff have definitely tarnished the reputations of any schools involved in this scam.
Sorry to disappoint, but I did read the article. You can quibble about the details, but the reality is that folks with money have always, and will always, find ways to help their children, often at the expense of others. Some other parents, without money, find other ways to give their children a "head start", again, often at the expense of others. Consider the Dad who volunteers to help coach the local sports team, and magically his child gets an inordinate amount of playing time, which translates into an advantage at later levels, and potentially college scholarships. Saw it happen a lot when my children were in school.
That's not my experience. I don't think my son could have passed Algebra II, although he loved Geometry, without a $75 per hour tutor. A couple hours a week for a couple months. He ended up with a B+.
Also, the $500 SAT prep course - they test the student at the beginning, and then test at the end and if the student doesn't pick up 100 points, you get your money back.
That's significant. And it's a sign of privilege.
1. My comments were in regards to the SAT\ACT. Certainly a tutor for a specific class can make a big difference, no argument there.
2. The 100 pt. thing for the SAT must come with some *'s because it's a non-linear curve and adding 100 points to score at 1300 is 7 percentile points gain. Going from 1000 to 1100 is around 20 percentile points gain.
I absolutely agree with you that it can help.
We just differ over my use of the vague term "that much".
I was thinking of the more elite schools where you need to be 1400+ and making large improvements is a lot tougher (since everyone else is likely prepping as well).
I think if someone were more 50th percentile then I can see where it could help a lot more so good point bringing that up, it's a complicated discussion.
I am SHOCKED to learn that you can buy your way into a college in a country where EVERYTHING is for sale.
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