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"Self-defense" is a tricky marketing tactic with firearms. It instantly implies the use of deadly force against other human beings.
You could probably advertise self-defense in a woodland setting where there are mountain lions and bears nearby, but advertising it in suburbia is going to be problematic.
So you think you're more likely to need to defend your life from a mountain lion or a bear than another human?
What "made me" buy my first AR? The excellent hour long spiel my arms dealer gave me which at the end of it, he had me spending $1000 (it was an Armalite -10). I had been in the market for just a .22 rifle but after his talk, it became a -10.
After that, it was experience with that rifle and government elections that got me the next AR, through him, and then years after that, a birthday present for me while at my gun range.
I suppose if I have ever seen any advertisement, it has been in this or that gun magazine, maybe in the Shotgun News, okay admittedly, with Cheaper Than Dirt, probably on Gun Broker..............but the basic thing is, one has gone to those publications first.
It's not like they are being advertised, as they really are, on television, the radio, a full page ad in the newspaper, is it?
So where does such advertisement occur so it can influence?
As far as what influenced me to buy that first AR, so long ago? I suppose because it was a mix of both rifle I used in the service. The -16 (or whatever nomenclature it goes by) in configuration and the -14 in caliber......and the -14 is an excellent platform, just heavier than the 40X I shot in JROTC. As it was, I bought it as a carbine for those are easier for me. As it is, I buy carbines over full size.
Now, one might argue that because I used such rifles in the service, I should not be using similar as a civilian. Well, A and B. A: In my family's philosophy, we, as a privileged class, have to take at least basic ROTC so if the country should call, we are ready. As a veteran, should I not maintain the skills I have learned?
Granted, as the years roll on, if they have to call on me, at least nationally, they are rather scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
B: What is similar? Would one use the -15 in the service (or, say, the Uzi carbine)? I think not. Even if one were to say that today, single shot is often used, I think that in the service, one still would want the selective fire to fall back on. As far as the Uzi carbine goes, having that 16 inch barrel does not seem beneficial in the service.
As far as the -10 goes, there is the point that its military service is very limited and that the modern -10s are not even from the same source as those of the 50s.
All this said, mind you, if I believed what the other side says......which I don't.
Well, quite frankly, it's rather hard to do self defense without it tipping over into the use of deadly force.
If I go at someone in hand to hand, there is about a fraction of a second before it becomes the potential to kill them. As I've said, "I'm going to put you in the hospital....and it is up to the Fates if it is the ER or the morgue.".
When you start engaging someone with martial skills to get them to break off their attack, if the situation occurs where they do die, the excuse of "I didn't mean to kill him" is no excuse. When you are using martial skills to break skin at least, it is deadly force.
What a great post that touches on so many points that are largely lost on and ignored by the Gun Grabbers.
I like what you say about the use of deadly force because in reality if someone attacks you in your home and you reach for almost any household tool/device/appliance you could seriously hurt or even kill that person and suddenly you are open to litigation and possible prison time.
The point is that if all guns were removed from our society today Evil would still find a way to murder innocent people tomorrow.
I'm gonna sue Honda because a drunk driver driving their product hit my truck a few months back.
Gimme a break
You didn't read the article did you?
They are suing because the say the gun manufacturer targeted 'youth'.
They aren't suing because their guns were used -- they are suing about the advertising.
So -- the example you gave is not a good one.
What would have been is if you sued Honda because they had targeted drunk drivers, encouraging them to buy Hondas.....
They are suing because the say the gun manufacturer targeted 'youth'.
They aren't suing because their guns were used -- they are suing about the advertising.
So -- the example you gave is not a good one.
What would have been is if you sued Honda because they had targeted drunk drivers, encouraging them to buy Hondas.....
see how that works?
Look how old those ads were. Have we even seen one on regular tv in the last 30 years?
"HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Gun maker Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle used to kill 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, a divided Connecticut Supreme Court ruled Thursday.
Justices issued a 4-3 decision that reinstated a wrongful death lawsuit and overturned a lower court ruling that the lawsuit was prohibited by a 2005 federal law that shields gun manufacturers from liability in most cases when their products are used in crimes."
The law suit is attacking how Remington marketed the gun to younger people but when you think about it how many video games feature the so called assault weapons like the AR15 mowing down people?
I just don't see how they can find a company at fault when their product causes harm to others, not out of a default but by the purchaser using the product in a unsafe or unlawful manner.
I guess this means that if I buy a gallon of gas, take it home, dump it onto a pile of leave and toss a match into it I can then sue the gas station as well as the company that owns the refinery for the burns I suffer?
What if I go to Home Depot, buy a table saw and then cut my arm off? It sounds like I can now sue HD, and Dewalt for producing and selling a dangerous product while marketing it to everyone without a waiting period, without a need for permits or a background check...
This ruling is not going to bode well for other companies such as car manufacturers that feature their cars skidding sideways through city streets and portraying a law breaking attitude to boost excitement to young buyers. Yes there is a fine print disclaimer "Do not attempt" "closed course" etc etc... but who pays attention to that? I want to drifting through a city like they do on TV!
Is this court ruling over reach? Is it targeted at the Remington because of a political agenda?
" a divided Connecticut Supreme Court ruled Thursday."
Being a VERY LIBERAL state NOT surprised.
It WILL be appealed and Remington WILL!
Immagin what willlhappen if this stands.
"The law suit is attacking how Remington marketed the gun to younger people but when you think about it how many video games feature the so called assault weapons like the AR15 mowing down people?
So, a 3rd party used the the rifle and Remington is responsible?
Look how old those ads were. Have we even seen one on regular tv in the last 30 years?
Okay - that's a different discussion...whether the people suing have merit addressing the ads.
I think it is a silly suit based on the 'targeting of youth' ads.....
But I wasn't debating the merits of the suit -- I was pointing out that most folks here aren't reading the article or misunderstand WHAT the article is saying.
THe suit isn't against the gun manufacturer for making the guns or for being guilty of 'murder'.
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