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Old 04-09-2019, 08:37 PM
 
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And, there is zero basis in law for this argument:The law itself is very broadly written. "actually guilty of illegal collusion" is NOT - repeat - IS NOT - a prerequisite to an investigation as countless judicial experts have said publicly. No wonder Trump likes Barr. He, too, lives in his own self-created reality.
Mr. Nixon had his 'Saturday Night Massacre' perhaps Mr. Trump is attempting to get 'one up' on him, so to speak?

His whole administration has been outlandish & a fiasco. (& not in a good way)

 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:41 PM
 
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It's obvious the president hired Barr for that very reason just as he nominates or hires people (judges, IRS) that are loyal to him. A mob boss mentality.
The New York families wanted nothing to do with him, too messed up for them. That's why he had to get mixed up with the Russian families.

Washed up Reality TV Show Host turned POTUS? Will wonders never cease.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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The New York families wanted nothing to do with him, too messed up for them. That's why he had to get mixed up with the Russian families.

Washed up Reality TV Show Host turned POTUS? Will wonders never cease.
Here is an interesting legal take on why Mueller didn't want to have input on Barr's summary.

"Mueller did not want to be responsible for Barr's characterization."

-- Ben Wittes, Lawfare editor in chief, on why AG Barr testified that Mueller did not want to have input on Barr's summary of the Mueller report
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1115780956881920000
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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Here is an interesting legal take on why Mueller didn't want to have input on Barr's summary.

"Mueller did not want to be responsible for Barr's characterization."

-- Ben Wittes, Lawfare editor in chief, on why AG Barr testified that Mueller did not want to have input on Barr's summary of the Mueller report
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1115780956881920000
It's legit.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 09:15 PM
 
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And, there is zero basis in law for this argument:The law itself is very broadly written. "actually guilty of illegal collusion" is NOT - repeat - IS NOT - a prerequisite to an investigation as countless judicial experts have said publicly.
What? The other person was not talking about "prerequisites" for "investigations"; he was talking about the commission of a crime. The lack of an underlying crime means there couldn't be any corrupt motive in firing Comey (who told Trump specifically that Trump was not under investigation).
 
Old 04-09-2019, 09:19 PM
 
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READ: Bill Barr's 19-Page Memo Ripping Mueller Probe
Impossible. There is no such thing.

The memo had ZERO to do with any opinion about the propriety of any probe. It was entirely about the law that applies to the findings of the probe.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 09:25 PM
 
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Clearly, you believe the president is exonerated, he didn't lie about Russian contacts many times and there was no Russian interference in the election.
Lying about Russian contacts (if he did that) was not illegal and was not something to be investigated. And, that's right, there was no Russian interference in the election.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 10:06 PM
 
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Impossible. There is no such thing.

The memo had ZERO to do with any opinion about the propriety of any probe. It was entirely about the law that applies to the findings of the probe.
What the heck are you talking about? His 19 page memo, dated June 2018, re: Mueller's "Obstruction" Theory cites Mr. Mueller 55 times.

It is ALL his opinion about Mr. Mueller's investigative processes. At that time he knew ZERO about Mr. Mueller's fact patterns, evidence, & there were no findings at that time.

It was a job interview for a washed up Reality TV Show Host.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 10:22 PM
 
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What the heck are you talking about? His 19 page memo, dated June 2018, re: Mueller's "Obstruction" Theory cites Mr. Mueller 55 times.

It is ALL his opinion about Mr. Mueller's investigative processes. At that time he knew ZERO about Mr. Mueller's fact patterns, evidence, & there were no findings at that time.
Everything you wrote is false, except that there were no findings at the time and maybe the 55 times thing. There is nothing about Mueller's "investigative processes", and why would it be relevant (if true) that "he knew ZERO about Mr. Mueller's fact patterns, evidence, & there were no findings at that time"? The law is the law, and it is never necessary to know ANY facts before you state the law.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 10:34 PM
 
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Everything you wrote is false, except that there were no findings at the time and maybe the 55 times thing. There is nothing about Mueller's "investigative processes", and why would it be relevant (if true) that "he knew ZERO about Mr. Mueller's fact patterns, evidence, & there were no findings at that time"? The law is the law, and it is never necessary to know ANY facts before you state the law.
He didn't just "state the law" he cited case law. Case law "is the law is the law" as established by the outcome of former cases.

Mr. Mueller needed to determine the facts based on interviews, review of evidence, etc. in order to make conclusions.

Mr. Barr jumped the gun because there were no findings, conclusions, &/or summary of evidence at the time he wrote his memo.
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