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Originally Posted by MissTerri
I also don’t remember people freaking out over the flu or HPV prior to those vaccines coming out. Fear sells.
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How about fear of vaccines? Isn't that what you are selling?
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Not. One. Person. Scared. Ever.
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Not one? You do not think these parents were scared, watching their children die before their eyes? I do not usually use anecdotes, but it takes only one to disprove your "Not. One. Person. Scared. Ever." thesis.
Five Varicella Deaths That Could Have Been Prevented
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
I'm pretty sure it already is in some states. Even for boys.
HPV is a pointless vaccine. Get your yearly visit, get checked for cancer, and that's it.
The chance of getting cervical cancer is ridiculously low, and the chance of dying from it? I think you're more likely to be hit by lightening. I don;t even know how they will "prove" it's working. There are so few cases of cervical cancer as it is I don't think any lowering of the stats would even been meaningful or show that yes it's the vaccine that did it. No way to know.
We have to wait 40 years for the data anyway.
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The decline in invasive cervical cancer is already evident.
https://www.aappublications.org/news...alcancer080918
"Cervical cancer rates for young women fell after HPV vaccine was introduced, according to a new study."
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This is one vaccine that is overwhelmingly not worth getting. The risks trump the benefits for women in the US who have access to yearly pap smears.
PS. The recommendation for boys is an add-on. Why not target 100% of the population instead of 50%? Brilliant marketing.
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What risks? There pretty much aren't any except for sore arms and a tendency to faint after the injection. The latter can be prevented by lying down for a few minutes after the shot.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
3. Get a fine if you don't have it <= this is where we are now
So yes, I care very much about it. Because it will affect me at some point.
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The fine is for people exposed to measles who are susceptible to it and will not stay at home. You will not have to pay a fine if you just do not go out and mingle with the general public during an ongoing measles outbreak while you are unvaccinated.
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Originally Posted by coschristi
My 15 year old son has had a low-grade fever every day of his life since he received his first Hep B shot. He has had an itchy rash every day of his life since his 24 month immunizations.
His arms will have an eczema-like rash about 50% of the time. His torso has a pox like rash 100% of the time. His face has the “hand slap”/Fifth Disease rash 100% of the time, despite never having had Fifth Disease. Twice since he was 13, he has had to have surgery for peri-rectal abscesses that culture positive for multiple viruses & bacteria. Even his scalp develops itchy patches that bleed when scratched, about 75% of the time. Sometimes his clothing becomes unbearable for him & he tears it off of himself like The Hulk. Denim jeans, leather shoes, about 30 shirts & multiple pairs of socks have been ripped to shreds with his bare hands.
This is life everyday for him but he can’t even complain; thanks to the autism that began when his rashes did. He has paradoxical behavior when he’s in pain (giggling & laughing) & he has paradoxical reactions to anesthesia (requires 3 security guards during transport from recovery room to pediatric ward).
My own arms & hands are covered in my own dried blood right now from defending myself from this now 6’3”, 220lb 15 year old who today had the scalp, arms, face & torso rash & is probably dealing with severe discomfort that he cannot even say; “Please help me” for.
I would much rather he have had just a few days of misery, compared to this.
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I know you are convinced that vaccines cause autism. If they did, all the research that has been done since Wakefield would have found evidence of it, and the evidence is just not there. Autism is genetic. So is eczema.
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/at...rmatitis#genes
"The genetics of atopic dermatitis are not completely understood. Studies suggest that several genes can be involved in development of the condition. In very rare cases, atopic dermatitis is caused by inherited mutations in a single gene."
"Individuals with atopic dermatitis ... have an increased risk of having a behavioral or psychiatric disorder, such as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) or depression." [Factoid: skin and brain both arise from the same embryonic tissue.]
People with atopic dermatitis are also more likely to have allergies and increased susceptibility to infections.
It is time to stop trying to prove vaccines cause autism and spend the time and resources looking for ways to actually help families like yours.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Brainwashed. Sickness. Fear. Sells.
Generally speaking, chickenpox is a nonevent. Anyone who tries to convince otherwise? Is a LIAR.
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This parent is a liar?
Preteen Vaccines - Personal Testimonies - Chickenpox Claimed the Life of My Son Christopher
You are selling fear of vaccines. You might consider that doing so undermines your argument that talking about what vaccine preventable diseases can do is fear mongering.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
As I posted earlier, each vaccine would have to studied individually. Then in the environment of each other vaccine to demonstrate the possibility of drug-drug interaction. Then there would have to be long-rang cumulative follow-up studies. There would need to be hundreds of thousands of studies.
There aren't. Saying the "science is settled" is false. It's not. It also means that any new vaccine? Will never be wathced for autism. Since well, "all vaccines are safe." Which again is unscientific.
Also? Autism used to be listed as a side effect on package inserts. Kinda interesting that is has been removed at the same time the media is brainwashing people that autism has nothing to do with vaccines. [Oh, and vaccine manufacturers have zero liability for harm. Their product can and does kill people. The govt gives them a free pass.]
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Fortunately, since what you want to be done is impossible it is not necessary to do it the way you claim it must be done.
No one claims there are no adverse reactions to vaccines. Autism is just not one of them.
Vaccine manufacturers do not have "zero liability for harm." Claims must go through the vaccine court first but if someone disagrees with the vaccine court decision he can still sue the maker and/or his doctor. To use your favorite phrase, "Anyone who tries to convince otherwise? Is a LIAR."
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
The doctor STILL called authorities. If you are going to attempt to report accurately? At least use the facts.
So yes, the doctor was out of line.
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The parents did not call and tell the naturopath the child was better. They just did not go to the ER> Then when the welfare check was done they refused to cooperate. All they had to do was call the naturopath when he got better and the whole event could have been avoided.
The only way that vaccines enter the discussion of what happened is that not being vaccinated against diseases that can cause meningitis increases the risk that a fever in a child is a sign of meningitis. Bacterial meningitis is treatable, but it needs to be diagnosed. That is why the naturopath wanted the child seen by a doctor ASAP.
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I've given you facts. You've discounted the facts.
This is a pattern in these conversations. You've asked for facts and I've provided them. You don't like them, so you ignore them. Then claim I am being emotional. It's a nice tactic but it doesn't work.
Here are some facts:
1. Insurers give bonuses to physicians who vaccinate certain percents of their populations. The higher the percent, the better.
2. It has become a financial issue in physician offices. It's in their financial interest to drop unvaxxed patients. And to convince patients-parents to get vaccines because financially, they get a bonus.
3. The govt has stepped in 2x in the last month to penalize unvaccinated people, banning them from public spaces and instituting a fine if they dare go outside.
4. In California, there is a bill RIGHT NOW that will eliminate medical exemptions for school children unless approved by a government official. They are removing the doctor-patient-parent part of medical choice. The child's healthcare -- vaccination-- will be up to a govt bureaurocrat. So if parents want their kids to go to public school they and their doctor will no longer be allowed in that medical decision. It's up to govt. If govt says get the shot? Parents have no choice.
5. More healthcare employers are demanding flu vaccines or employees will get fired.
6. According to ClinicalTrials.gov, there are 2,308 clinical trials for vaccines right now that are recruiting, getting ready to recruit, active, and unknown status. 2308 trials right now ... for more vaccines or additional indications. I eliminated trials that were ended/suspended/terminated form the search (bumped it to more than 8,000, BTW).[b]
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1. Insurance companies give incentives to vaccinate because fewer children hospitalized with VPDs means money saved for the company. Consider the child recently whose tab for treatment for tetanus was almost $1 million.
2. Fewer patients increases their bottom line? How? Pediatricians happily accept insurance incentives for vaccinating their patients because they vaccinate them anyway. They get money for doing what they already planned to do.
3. The penalties were instituted in the context of an ongoing measles outbreak during which anti-vaxers are not cooperating by not exposing other people to measles, including deliberate exposure. It is dangerous and they need to stop.
4. The patient's doctor has to recommend the waiver, so the doctor-patient-parent relationship is still there. You can blame the doctors selling waivers for children who do not have conditions justifying them for this one.
5. That is the right of the employer. Sick employees cost money. In a health care setting sick employees can make sick patients sicker.
6. How many of those trials are not for vaccines for infectious diseases? Vaccines are being studied for other conditions, too, including cancer. How about a link?
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
I noticed the article never said whether he did or did not get the vaccine as a child. Interesting omission.
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The article said he was vaccinated when a single dose of the vaccine, not two, was recommended.
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Originally Posted by Jo48
Today measles, chicken pox, and whooping cough. Someday it WILL be the Flu as well. As a old lady, I hope I don't live to see that day. The Universal Flu vaccine is being tested. When that is approved, the fear factor to vaccinate will ramp up as we see these others today. HPV vaccination is only in the beginning stages of the media blitz. Not enough children getting vaccinated so up the age to include adults as well.
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When we have a universal flu vaccine people who now skip it because they think the effectiveness is too low will flock to get it.
HPV vaccine prevents cancers in males and females. I suspect there are going to be some people angry at their parents for not having them vaccinated after they develop one of those cancers that could have been prevented.
There are already unvaccinated minors who are trying to get vaccines without parental consent.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
Sorry for all you’ve been through with your son. I’m also sorry that people are so quick to dismiss your experience as well as others who have had children with severe vaccine injuries. One day maybe they will be the parent or grandparent of a vaccine injured child and only then will they understand after being ridiculed and dismissed what a rigged system it is.
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Autism is not a "vaccine injury".
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Ebola is more difficult to get than HIV. So unless you are really really REALLY active in freaky or risk taking behavior you have nothing to be concerned about.
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Ebola is really easy to get once the patient is symptomatic and there are blood, diarrhea, and puke all over the room.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
My kids have had some vaccines, not all. Quite frankly, it’s none of your business.
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Come on, Terri. None of us know who you are unless you have shared that privately with another poster.
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Originally Posted by Tokinouta
Yeah, it's a weird contradiction watching the news on the measles outbreaks. The flu rarely gets this special treatment for school and it kills more and the vaccine is less effective yet they still don't keep kids home. Stomach viruses also.
In fact, they say to get them back asap after the first 24 hours of fever. They're still contagious. Seems obvious it would be even more important to keep them home if child safety and spreading illness that kills was a real concern.
This is why people question motives. It's not out of thin air, it really contradicts the normal message which is kids in school no matter what illness they have.
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How long to stay out of school or work depends on the individual illness.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Did you know that when a child switches pediatricians the ONLY medical records that the offices transfer are immunization?
They don't care about any other documentation. Just the immunization stuff.
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That is just absolutely silly. Of course pediatricians transfer records all the time. The parent signs a consent telling who to send them to and it's done.
Actually, the states have central registries for vaccines, so it is not even necessary to send the vax records. Those can be accessed online. Georgia's is GRITS:
https://dph.georgia.gov/georgia-immu...registry-grits
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