This is what Toxic Masculinity Means (statistics, radical, independent, examples)

[Phil75230]

Short Answer: Pressure for boys to "be a man" (i.e. don't be weak, don't show softer feelings - especially feelings of distress) is actually mentally unhealthy. Even without male-female gender relations dynamic, there'd still be a toxicity to masculinity, especially pressure to conform to a societally idealized gender archetype (in this case, a narrow type of masculinity). Personally, I don't worry about manliness at all. Though I'm certainly cisgendered male, I just don't consider masculinity as the core of my identity - but that's a whole other tangent. That still doesn't change the fact that shaming unmanly men very likely contributes to the high rate of male suicide, especially in the Intermountain West.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2...is-in-turmoil/

“We still really embrace that rugged individualism, cowboy mentality,” in the western U.S., said Hindman. If you are a man struggling with something, particularly an emotional issue, “the response is: ‘Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Problem-solve on your own.’”

“Boys learn at a young age that there is one way of being a man, and when they deviate from that, they get punished,” said Matt Englar-Carlson, a professor of counseling at California State University, Fullerton. They are often told to “man up” and not to cry. If they don’t conform, said Englar-Carlson, boys risk being taunted with insults like “bitch,” “pussy,” and “little girl” — all of which associate emotion with weakness and femininity. As a result, adult men tend to bury their emotions. In fact, research suggests that when men are socialized to be rigidly self-reliant and strong, they are less likely to seek mental health treatment or medical care.

[Phil75230]

Originally Posted by Tarkinson

I love how when things like this pop up everyone conveniently forgets that for the VAST majority of human history, men had to have those kinds of attitudes to survive. As the saying goes, old habits die hard and we have around 40,000 years of old habits.

As I recall, suicide statistics would probably go back, at most, maybe to the late 19th century - and even then only in the most scientifically / wealthiest areas of the planet. So that could very well be a culture-based assertion.


At any rate, even assuming your claim is true, the day-to-day living environment in 2019 A.D. is RADICALLY different from what it was even in 1870 A.D., let alone 10,000 B.C. What was a beneficial trait (or even non-detrimental one) back in the Stone Age could easily be detrimental in a Digital Age environment, or at best a useless one.

[Delahanty]

You're either male or female. Chuck the cis garbaghe.

Trying to get people used to seeing that nonsense isn't going to work, though it's clearly the agenda.

[Phil75230]

Originally Posted by Delahanty

You're either male or female. Chuck the cis garbaghe.

Trying to get people used to seeing that nonsense isn't going to work, though it's clearly the agenda.

It's perfectly possible to be anatomically male, yet have a brain or mind that is congruent with female self-identity. What is it to you if anatomical males are more about "looking pretty" than about "getting down and dirty in the mud" (to use rather caricatured examples of gendered behavior)?

Originally Posted by Tarkinson

What's funny is, they all talk about "toxic masculinity" but if that exists, then toxic femininity should also logically exist, yet they never talk about that.

The reason I don't talk about "toxic femininity" is that even assuming it does exist, it's a Red Herring. The acutal issue is the narrow definitions of masculinity, that males are pressured to meet unrealistic and unfair expectations society places on men, and even castigates males who have no interest in meeting those idealized archetypes of masculinity. In short, it's shaming language that stigmatizes men who express feelings of powerless and distress - forcing them to bottle it up rather than get their personal problems out o the open. Whatever faults femininity may or may not have are completely irrelevant to the matter.

[rebeldor]

There's no such thing as toxic masculinity.

[heart84]

Originally Posted by Delahanty

You're either male or female. Chuck the cis garbaghe.

Trying to get people used to seeing that nonsense isn't going to work, though it's clearly the agenda.

Haven't you had your mandatory gender identity training yet? There are 63 different genders now.

Seriously look it up. This is what the SJW loonies claim. Have to keep fighting against the nonsense and calling it out!

[MPowering1]

There's so much wrong with the premise you're putting forth that just thinking about where to start is tiresome.

Males have always been described in a variety of ways depending on who they are. We might be described as bookish, intellectual, having a big personality, being a sensitive type, a man's man, a ladies man, a rugged guy, an athletic type, a thoughtful type, and on and on. People have accepted each type and each type has it's appeal to the various types of women that exist.

To try and make it sound like there's something toxic about some males is hogwash created to manipulate.

Thankfully, few men and women have gotten sucked in by that falsehood.

[newtovenice]

Toxic femininity: Complaining men are too masculine

[heart84]

Be proud of being a real man. Strong body, mind, and spirit. Independent and responsible. Real men need to keep standing up for their rights. Be more vocal. Because all of this SJW bull**** is looking to subvert you. They really, really hate independent masculine males.

[Phil75230]

Originally Posted by rebeldor

There's no such thing as toxic masculinity.

I see no refutation of even my "short answer" in the OP. So your assertion lacks substance.