Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-26-2019, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
37,971 posts, read 17,916,476 times
Reputation: 10382

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust View Post
In many countries, patent holders must periodically prove that they're actually using the patent. Not so in the US.

This means that it's difficult to innovate without a high risk of ending up in court being sued for patent infringement of patents that were filed with zero intention of actually materializing onto the market. Instead, it's used as a money trap for future innovators who might invent something even tangentially related.

Do you think this squelches human progress and that the government should stop backing patent hoarders?
Get rid of patents all together. Someone files 5 minutes before another is what counts? How did stopping the automobile from being manufactured work, good or bad? Luckily for Americans that absurd notion was squelched. Not soon enough.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-27-2019, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
8,278 posts, read 6,286,779 times
Reputation: 6681
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
One of the poster childs for abuse was Amazon's one click patent. If someone was logged into site and had their information on file they can order something with one click. This is not something unique, it's like adding 1 + 1 but they were able to patent it. They solved an issue with a common sense solution, they just happened to be the first to need to do that.
The best innovations are the obvious 'Why didn't I think of that' innovations. One click is an example.

If the solution was so common sense, and obvious, then why were they the first to do it? Looking back historically can give a wrong impression, everything seems easy when you know the result.

You also need to be careful with how patents are used, a lot are filled just to prove that the inventors actually invented it, with little intent of enforcing their IP, its defensive to avoid someone else preventing them from using their IP, simply because they didn't file some paperwork. I know several Apple patents that are post facto, and based on proprietary development from direct competitors who never filed the paperwork, ultimately that was shortsighted by them, since Apple ultimately enforced those patents and received licensing fees for tech they never created from competitors who were stupid. Had those competitors filed patents but not enforced them, they would not have had to give Apple a piece of their pie.
__________________
My mod posts will always be in red.
The Rules • Infractions & Deletions • Who's the moderator? • FAQ • What is a "Personal Attack" • What is "Trolling" • Guidelines for copyrighted material.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2019, 01:04 AM
 
6,835 posts, read 2,409,442 times
Reputation: 2727
Same things should with copyright and trademark trolls/hoarders.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2019, 03:56 AM
 
41,813 posts, read 51,135,271 times
Reputation: 17865
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
The best innovations are the obvious 'Why didn't I think of that' innovations. One click is an example.

But that's just it is obvious. Building a site is like building a house. You are going to use a lot common construction throughout the house, you may have unique idea from customer and if presented to 50 different contractors they are going to come up with 50 similar or the same solutions. Just because they are first doesn't mean it deserves a patent. Web designers are coming up with unique and interesting things all the time to solve problems as they come up.


See the "new posts" link above? AFAIK that was first implemented by phpBB in 2007 along with "yours', "unanswered" and "active". The implementation for VB appears to be the same as "active" on phpBB. "New Posts" on phpBB only appears for logged in users and is based on the sessions, it displays posts since your last visit. In any event there is certainly no patent on it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2019, 04:40 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
8,278 posts, read 6,286,779 times
Reputation: 6681
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
But that's just it is obvious. Building a site is like building a house. You are going to use a lot common construction throughout the house, you may have unique idea from customer and if presented to 50 different contractors they are going to come up with 50 similar or the same solutions. Just because they are first doesn't mean it deserves a patent. Web designers are coming up with unique and interesting things all the time to solve problems as they come up.


See the "new posts" link above? AFAIK that was first implemented by phpBB in 2007 along with "yours', "unanswered" and "active". The implementation for VB appears to be the same as "active" on phpBB. "New Posts" on phpBB only appears for logged in users and is based on the sessions, it displays posts since your last visit. In any event there is certainly no patent on it.
Calling Amazon a website is like calling the USS Ronald Reagan a boat.

And yeah, one click ordering is completely obvious 20 years after the patent. The patent was filed in 1999, at which time one click was anything but obvious. You're taking 20 years of familiarity and over simplifying what it did.

By the same token, a nuclear bomb is pretty damn obvious. So obvious it should be in the annals of the bleeding obvious. But in 1942 it was anything but obvious.

That's part of the issue with patents, you read them and think that's pretty obvious, because you know the answer, that's what a patent gives you. The rights to the patent gives you the just compensation for coming to that answer. Of my 79 patents, they all seem pretty obvious once you read them, but, none of them were obvious before that concept was developed.
__________________
My mod posts will always be in red.
The Rules • Infractions & Deletions • Who's the moderator? • FAQ • What is a "Personal Attack" • What is "Trolling" • Guidelines for copyrighted material.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top