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Old 05-17-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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After the scandal under the Clinton admin regarding a hard drive with critical tech info being found on the desk of one of the Chinese working in our top security the China military tech jumped forward 30 years that happened here not in China
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Old 05-18-2019, 01:01 AM
 
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I wonder how this works with the practice of communism that China is infamous for.
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Old 05-18-2019, 01:54 AM
 
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China develops very fast mainly because they had a good policy and hardworking people. It's simply unfair to say every success is due to stealing technology. Foreign companies share technology often at will.
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Old 05-18-2019, 02:31 AM
 
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Yes. The mainland Chinese are indeed stealing technology, our technology. Part of it is because they don't believe in the ownership of inventions, that once developed, the tech is there for all the use, for free.

One way they do it, is embed software viruses in the electronic goods that they ship to and sell abroad. Years ago, there was a Chinese manufactured photo display screen. When the customers downloaded their pictures to this electronic photo frame to create slideshows, there was a virus that would infect their computers. Also, at trade shows, the Chinese companies would give away free USB drives, ones that secretly contained spyware.
Well, then don’t go to china to try to make money from the Chinese market then if you’re so worry about your technology, no one is forcing you to want to profit from the Chinese either. As for the alleged spying in their electronics, then don’t buy them. It’s a free world out there.
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Old 05-18-2019, 02:34 AM
 
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China develops very fast mainly because they had a good policy and hardworking people. It's simply unfair to say every success is due to stealing technology. Foreign companies share technology often at will.
Whining complaint about unfair trade practices etc etc etc have been used to knock off the Japanese during the 80s when it was rising. The us is trying to stop china’s rise using the same method. It’s a way for Americans to try to stay number 1. But unlike japan, China is too big, too independent and too smart to bow to the us. Thanks for playing America. Lol.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:21 AM
 
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It's not stealing when American Corporations agree to the terms the Chinese set.

They so desperately want to get the Chinese workforce instead of paying American workers.

It's a choice they make.

Seems we only understand "free trade" as a country doing exactly as we want them to. When they play by a different set of rules, it's time to go to "war".

It's perfectly within their scope to say that if you want to set up shop in our country, this is what you have to do. We do it with foreign companies that set up a business here.
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:43 AM
 
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Is China really stealing technology?

Mostly there is still copyright infringement and stealing intellectual property, like bootlegging music or video games and making false copies of name brands. Global corporations know they run the risk when they do business in China.

When Nike or Puma make a contract to build shoes in China the designs and mechanical specifications go to a contractor. When the contract runs out and they move the business to a different factory the first factory still knows how to make those products: they have the talent and the machinery and the supplier connections. They might churn out the exact same product for a couple of additional years before anyone catches on that they are doing it. Then they deny everything and the courts won't help.

Technology is not the same. The Chinese no longer need to steal patentable technology because plainly they have passed us by in a number of fields.

It used to be companies like GE or Siemens would ask Chinese or Korean companies to bid on making consumer products which were designed by them. This was where western innovation and market savvy transferred.

Now the Chinese and Korean companies can do the designing and inventing themselves, with their own well trained engineers, and offer to license the foreign company's brand to expand their own reach into foreign markets. They simply don't need GE to design anything. If GE is not interested in a licensing deal for their product, maybe Westinghouse would be ...
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:14 AM
 
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Is China really stealing technology?

Mostly there is still copyright infringement and stealing intellectual property, like bootlegging music or video games and making false copies of name brands. Global corporations know they run the risk when they do business in China.
A large portion of teenagers are doing the same thing. I'm looking to dump cable and looking at the Firestick and Roku. I'm told I need to get a Firestick that has been "jailbroke".

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When Nike or Puma make a contract to build shoes in China the designs and mechanical specifications go to a contractor. When the contract runs out and they move the business to a different factory the first factory still knows how to make those products: they have the talent and the machinery and the supplier connections. They might churn out the exact same product for a couple of additional years before anyone catches on that they are doing it. Then they deny everything and the courts won't help.
Nike knows all of that going in.

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Technology is not the same. The Chinese no longer need to steal patentable technology because plainly they have passed us by in a number of fields.

It used to be companies like GE or Siemens would ask Chinese or Korean companies to bid on making consumer products which were designed by them. This was where western innovation and market savvy transferred.

Now the Chinese and Korean companies can do the designing and inventing themselves, with their own well trained engineers, and offer to license the foreign company's brand to expand their own reach into foreign markets. They simply don't need GE to design anything. If GE is not interested in a licensing deal for their product, maybe Westinghouse would be ...
China evolving into a more modern economy is a good thing. More than anything, that is likely what we are pissed about. It's expensive to pick up production and move it to Thailand. Especially knowing because of your previous actions, you are now going to have to compete with China also.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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China says it is not happening. I have to believe China more than Trump who lies with every breath or his corrupt Goldman Sachs cabinet.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Seems we only understand "free trade" as a country doing exactly as we want them to. When they play by a different set of rules, it's time to go to "war".

It's perfectly within their scope to say that if you want to set up shop in our country, this is what you have to do. We do it with foreign companies that set up a business here.

Exactly.

All those so-called "American companies" bellyaching about China's regulations have the option of "just saying no!"

Of course, then they'd have to consider going to Mexico instead. But Mexico's dirt-poor wages are still quite a bit higher than China's slave labor pay scale. And that's the real motivation; to go as cheap on labor as they can get away with.
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