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Answering the questions of the ages is tough for forum posts......maybe read a couple books?
"The mountaineer can present no enigma to a world which is inter-
ested enough to look with sympathy into the forces which have
made him. And look we must, because with his fruitful wife and
brood of untamed children he presents a problem to the nation
which is many-faceted and which will deepen in complexity during
the ensuing decades. As the nation moves toward the challenges of a
new century and a world ringing with change, it cannot afford to
leave huge islands of its own population behind, stranded and
ignored. Idleness and waste are antipathetic to progress and
growth, and, unless the Cumberland Plateau is to remain an anchor dragging behind the rest of America, it — and the rest of the Southern Appalachians — must be rescued while there is yet time."
I'd say the story remains quite the same in many parts of the world. Why is Russia with the most resources on the planet - and fewer people to share them, just a couple generations out of peasanthood? Is it the fault of an individual Russian logger or dirt farmer from east of the Urals? Is it the fault of the masses of Stalins purges?
If you can answer all these questions you need to write some books yourself. Me? I'm still reading.
The Scot-Irish in the KY mountains may be living modestly, they don't gun each other down at alarming rates, do they? As far as I know, they don't. They're modest people living in modest homes, that's all. Their neighborhoods are not no-go zones, and they're not totally dependent on the generosity of the rest of society to get by.
The Scot-Irish in the KY mountains may be living modestly, they don't gun each other down at alarming rates, do they? As far as I know, they don't. They're modest people living in modest homes, that's all. Their neighborhoods are not no-go zones, and they're not totally dependent on the generosity of the rest of society to get by.
Actually they are in regards to the bold. They kill themselves with drug and alcohol abuse instead of violence. Violence is always more prevalent in urban areas where you have a larger amount of people living in close proximity to each other.
The Scot-Irish in the KY mountains may be living modestly, they don't gun each other down at alarming rates, do they? As far as I know, they don't. They're modest people living in modest homes, that's all. Their neighborhoods are not no-go zones, and they're not totally dependent on the generosity of the rest of society to get by.
Nah, they just abuse opoids and alcohol, as well as other health related maladies.
They also ARE dependent on charity, and public programs, as any other community with poverty.
Actually they are in regards to the bold. They kill themselves with drug and alcohol abuse instead of violence. Violence is always more prevalence in urban areas where you have a larger amount of people living in close proximity to each other.
Sorry, but living in urban settings and being poor does not explain the violence.
In Israel we have a city called Bnei Brak: extremely urban (with a density of 71,000 inhabitants per square mile) and very poor. One of the poorest city in the country. Yet, no violence. I could walk there alone at night and wouldn't have to worry. It's populated by ultra-orthodox jews.
The poor whites in rural KY may be killing themselves with drug and alcohol - rich folks are also notorious for consuming a lot of drugs and alcohol. It's a very bad habit, of course, but it doesn't involve anyone else. The violence that is rampant in poor black neighborhoods is affecting the entire area. That's a huge difference IMO.
Sorry, but living in urban settings and being poor does not explain the violence.
In Israel we have a city called Bnei Brak: extremely urban (with a density of 71,000 inhabitants per square mile) and very poor. One of the poorest city in the country. Yet, no violence. I could walk there alone at night and wouldn't have to worry. It's populated by ultra-orthodox jews.
The poor whites in rural KY may be killing themselves with drug and alcohol - rich folks are also notorious for consuming a lot of drugs and alcohol. It's a very bad habit, of course, but it doesn't involve anyone else. The violence that is rampant in poor black neighborhoods is affecting the entire area. That's a huge difference IMO.
That's apples vs. oranges.
It's got nothing to do with living in urban or rural areas.
Ultra-Orthodox communities will have low incomes per capita because they have large families and they don't go into very renumerative occupations. That's the case of towns such as Kiryas Joel in NY.
It doesn't mean that they're disfunctional as a community. They're also eligible and do make use of public subsidies for low income families. Both here and in Israel. You're probably very aware of the controversy of Haredi communities which take a lot of public subsidies in Israel. As well as the concern that many are excluded from military service, as well as that their religious-based education doesn't really prepare them for jobs in the larger, modern economy. You know all that.
It's got nothing to do with living in urban or rural areas.
Ultra-Orthodox communities will have low incomes per capita because they have large families and they don't go into very renumerative occupations. That's the case of towns such as Kiryas Joel in NY.
However they do have a sense of community - and they pull together. They're also eligible and do make use of public subsidies for low income families. Both here and in Israel. You're probably very aware of the controversy of Haredi communities which take a lot of public subsidies in Israel.
Big difference.
Oh yes, absolutely. I'm 100% aware of it... and very much against it.
What you say is true. But I would like to add that Haredim here are poor and live very modestly. They don't go hungry, but eating meat and fish only on Shabbat because they can't afford more is far from unheard of. Of course, it doesn't help that necessities such as housing and groceries are very expensive here.
And yet, despite all of this, they are not physically violent.
Sorry, but living in urban settings and being poor does not explain the violence.
In Israel we have a city called Bnei Brak: extremely urban (with a density of 71,000 inhabitants per square mile) and very poor. One of the poorest city in the country. Yet, no violence. I could walk there alone at night and wouldn't have to worry. It's populated by ultra-orthodox jews.
The poor whites in rural KY may be killing themselves with drug and alcohol - rich folks are also notorious for consuming a lot of drugs and alcohol. It's a very bad habit, of course, but it doesn't involve anyone else. The violence that is rampant in poor black neighborhoods is affecting the entire area. That's a huge difference IMO.
Oh yes, absolutely. I'm 100% aware of it... and very much against it.
What you say is true. But I would like to add that Haredim here are poor and live very modestly. They don't go hungry, but eating meat and fish only on Shabbat because they can't afford more is far from unheard of. Of course, it doesn't help that necessities such as housing and groceries are very expensive here.
And yet, despite all of this, they are not physically violent.
Except when they harass women who they think aren't dressed modestly enough, or if they're not sitting on the back of the bus....
Oh yes, absolutely. I'm 100% aware of it... and very much against it.
What you say is true. But I would like to add that Haredim here are poor and live very modestly. They don't go hungry, but eating meat and fish only on Shabbat because they can't afford more is far from unheard of. Of course, it doesn't help that necessities such as housing and groceries are very expensive here.
And yet, despite all of this, they are not physically violent.
Okay, but there is one thing you need to understand. None of what you're saying is going to get Black Americans to support Trump.
Except when they harass women who they think aren't dressed modestly enough, or if they're not sitting on the back of the bus....
I'm "hilonit ad hasof", pretty much as secular as it gets here. I'm not pro-Haredi. And don't start me on the Kashrut issues, I could go on forever about it but it wouldn't be nice to hijack the OP's thread.
Still, I can walk in their neighborhoods alone at night, as a woman, while I would never ever do that in poor black neighborhoods in the US.
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but it wouldn't be nice to hijack the OP's thread. 
