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Old 06-06-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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Have you ever been to China?

I have, been there 11 times, lived there for over a year at a stretch and I am going again this month.

Repressive would not be how I would describe it. It is a one party state, sort of like it would be here if we only had the Republican party in total control.

The economics is like a wild free market, 'Marxist' does not come close to describing the business environment in China today. They have a most unrestricted free market. Far fewer regulations on business than one would find in the USA, and the regulations that are in place are more difficult for the government to enforce.

This is why Chinese products are suspect. The Chinese themselves do not trust the products made in China, they love American made products and consider such things as consumables like cosmetics for instance, even bottles of American vitamins, great gifts.

They know our products are much safer and will pay a premium for them, but that is because we have much stronger regulations on business, and better enforcement.

Republicans would love to have a wild and crazy business and labor market here in the USA as it is in China.
  • Lower wages, lower employee benefits and fewer worker safety requirements (Alexander Acosta, did you see that?)
  • Fewer consumer product safety regulations, and more difficult to enforce (Buerkle, are you listening?)
  • Fewer and weaker environmental protections (Scott Pruitt would have loved it!)
  • Fewer protections against financial fraud, and a court system which mostly ignores the scams (something Trump would particularly like).

The business environment in China is every Republican investor's wet dream.

PLUS ... PC talk is practically non-existent (if you're fat, you're fat, they just tell you to your face without blinking an eye). Something any Trumpie could love ... or would they?

On the other hand China is extraordinarily safe, compared to the USA. Too many Chinese bodies have had to be shipped home from our country. I have walked dark streets alone through poor neighborhoods and never had a problem, it's something I would not do in most American cities. So yes, to them the USA is a comparatively dangerous place. They are correct.

The Chinese Labor Market would be a Republican Wet Dream.
No Unions except one government controlled Union, no Labor rights, no Pollution controls.

All of this is enforced by the government.
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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Mmm, maybe you should tell those you've bombed the chit out of you made a mistake because these guys got off scott free.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/18...s-role-in-911/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...y-and-al-qaeda

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016...s-september-11

Oh wait, my bad, …..I forgot the Saudi's have friends in high places. First the Bushes and now even Trump is kissing their azzes.
If you bomb our country but have a bag full of gold, you can get off Scott free with it.
If Iran sent half our politicians a bag of gold, you would see Iran drop off the threat radar.
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:04 PM
 
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So just those Chinese railroad builders were heroic?

Or every single person throughout history who had a terrible, hard, dangerous job?

They worked cheap. That's it, that's all.

Hell I'm a hero many times over according to your criteria. I want my participation trophy.
Get reincarnated and you might get a participation trophy for being born with wealthy parents.
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:07 PM
 
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Get reincarnated and you might get a participation trophy for being born with wealthy parents.
Yeah maybe. Or I'll be born again with poor parents.
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Old 06-07-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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WTH!


The US is the last place the Chinese should worry about visiting! HELL, they should come here and stay here! China is one of the most repressive restrictive human rights destroying countries on the planet
International tourism brings America $200 billion dollars a year, and Chinese tourists account for 11% of total tourist spending. And tourism from China has greatly increased every year for the last 10 years.
https://skift.com/2019/02/27/china-t...itor-spending/

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More Marxist BS from a totalitarian regime
America and China are involved in a trade/economic war. And China's move to limit tourism to the US has the potential to take $20 billion dollars a year from Americas tourism earnings.
https://skift.com/2019/02/27/china-t...itor-spending/
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Old 06-07-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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The Chinese Labor Market would be a Republican Wet Dream.
No Unions except one government controlled Union, no Labor rights, no Pollution controls.

All of this is enforced by the government.
There are labor rights, although not as good as Americans'. There are minimum wages, requirements for social securities and insurances, and so on.
There are pollution controls too. Millions of factories were forced to close in recent two years.

I don't know why when people talk about China, they easily make false claims.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn.../#27d03b9e4666
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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There are labor rights, although not as good as Americans'. There are minimum wages, requirements for social securities and insurances, and so on.
There are pollution controls too. Millions of factories were forced to close in recent two years.

I don't know why when people talk about China, they easily make false claims.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn.../#27d03b9e4666
I don't know why you would sugar coat it.

After Deng XiaoPing opened up the country to modern capitalistic practices many of the labor laws were reduced in effectiveness. Mine safety is particularly bad, hundreds of miners die per year in Shaanxi alone.

Does anyone remember the spate of suicides at Foxconn? Young people working so hard in desperation, they just jump off the roof and end it all ...

Everyone knows the pollution situation is out of control, we used to see posts here mocking China for it's pollution, until it was pointed out that this is what Republicans want to do to our country too. After Trump got elected many of those kinds of posts faded into the background.

No native Chinese will drink the tap water in their own homes, Americans (myself included) are naïve when going there for the first time and taking a drink at the sink. It can actually be dangerous.

The way it is in China, every once in a while the central government launches a crackdown on certain things, like prostitution one year, water pollution the next, but it is mostly for the public relations and not ongoing. It's like people getting traffic tickets, after the very public blitz everything settles down and the same old characters are back weaving and bobbing through traffic as before. The business community in China is like Trump declaring bankruptcy six times through shell corporations and right away he is back at it again with another scheme. That's just how it is in China.

It is no doubt ... Republican Paradise.
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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WTH!

The US is the last place the Chinese should worry about visiting! HELL, they should come here and stay here! China is one of the most repressive restrictive human rights destroying countries on the planet!

More Marxist BS from a totalitarian regime
Americans were just cut off from visiting Cuba. Everyone in the world is allowed to go there except us. We are not allowed, due to our totalitarian administration.
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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Yes, it is one of the many other weapons they have in their arsenal. Chinese tourism is down, Chinese enrollment in our colleges is down, and they just fined Ford 25M for something....

Did you really think they would sit and take the tariffs with no further action?

We wouldn't.

Chinese tourism to our state dropped around 25% in the last year. That's huge.
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Old 06-07-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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The PRC high speed rail network puts us to shame. They have the will and the know how.
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But no one's willing to recognize that the relatively low cost of owning a private auto, combined with a fully-developed highway network, render High Speed rail unsuitable most markets; all, in fact, save for a few along the two coasts.

The present Boston-New York-Washington Northeast Corridor can be upgraded only so much, and so far. Antiquated tunnels and drawbridges designed according to the engineering standards of a century and a quarter ago are the culprit -- and the construction cost of a complete replacement has been pegged at about $50 billion. That system would also require a lot of new right-of-way -- through a settled area where land acquisition would be costly, and political opposition likely.

And California's much ballyhooed HSR dream, now in its fourth year of construction, has been largely mothballed due to cost overruns -- those in turn "padded" by politically-influenced "sweetheart" deals for preliminary environmental and engineering studies, and the like.

The one success story in the "theater" of railroad operations revolves around the recapture of higher-paying freight traffic over longer distances; our freight rail network remains the envy of the world. But this was demonstrated by the rebuilding of worn-our physical plant in the Northeast and standardization of a container-based system for merchandise and parcels -- paid for by private capital save for the one-time infusion of Consolidated Rail -- most of which has been turned back to private ownership and operation.
From my personal experience high speed rail in China is no less expensive than air travel in most cases, yet there is a market for it and the people will pay. They look like jetliners from the inside.

If one is travelling someplace two hours by air, it can be 6 to 7 hour by high speed rail, which can be roughly equivalent in time when one considers the other difficulties navigating the airports in and out and layovers. Even though these people aren't saving money they are using the rails, and this is good because China simply can't keep building the some of the world's largest terminals and expect to keep up with the demands of the traveling public. Besides that, they can not keep building 'interstate' type expressways to handle the volume either, so rail makes a helluva lotta sense in their situation.

The National Capital airport at Beijing has a massive and beautiful relatively new building, Terminal 3 (readied for the 2008 Olympics), which is one of the largest in the world, and they have already begun to build another one even larger.

The Chinese have figured out that they need high speed rail, they need it to complement the other forms of transportation and take on some of the pressure.
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